the douchette mystery just cracked

[Yun]

BEFORE POSTING TO THIS THREAD:

-Please do not misunderstand me, i wish to NOT stir up any more controversy/trouble.  i know that this CAN be a sensative subject, so PLEASE let's keep this one clean....

Sustain punch mods:

-Remove 470PF caps (in the diode clipping circuit)
-All 8.2K/10K (depending on what muff you have) are now 15K or 18K (depending on how much grit you want)
-All Emmiter resistors are ommited EXCEPT for Q4, though i guess you COULD remove all of them, no?
-The tone stack was NOT messed with or modded in any way.

How i found this out:

I met a musician that has a russian muff that he had modded by sustain Punch in the early days.  i WISH i had a digital camera Sooooo bad, man.  It's really wierd, but there was NO goop to be found. 

I have done these mods to one of my american Reissue muffs, just to make sure that it wasn't a "fake", but it seems to be correct. 

MAN, you don't have to even touch the strings on your guitar and it will provide massive sustain.  It's really pick sensative.  i think if one would want to- i but you could blow your amp's speaker. 

So, maybe now; we can put all this douchette mystery to rest....

[JimRayden]

I have played this thing and I wished it was mine. I loved the "creamy" tones with the tone knob at low settings. As much flame as he gets, I think Douchette made a pretty good job.

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Jimbo

[Yun]

I have played this thing and I wished it was mine. I loved the "creamy" tones with the tone knob at low settings. As much flame as he gets, I think Douchette made a pretty good job.

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Jimbo

Well, now you can have one, dude.  Do you have a big muff eh?  If not; just buy a russian one, and do the mods that i listed above, man....

[brad]

-All 8.2K/10K (depending on what muff you have) are now 15K or 18K (depending on how much grit you want)

Do you mean the resistors on the base of the transistors, or the coupling resistors between the 2nd and 3rd stages?  They're all 10K on the US reissue.

Thanks for sharing the info! 

I'd imagine removing the 470pF caps would make it LESS creamy! 

[Yun]

-All 8.2K/10K (depending on what muff you have) are now 15K or 18K (depending on how much grit you want)

Do you mean the resistors on the base of the transistors, or the coupling resistors between the 2nd and 3rd stages?  They're all 10K on the US reissue.

Thanks for sharing the info! 

I'd imagine removing the 470pF caps would make it LESS creamy! 

Yep

That's what i thaught (about the 470PF caps)  Which is really strange    .  Unless someone else removed the 470pf caps along the road....

[jimbob]

What was the original mystery?

[brad]

Yep

lol...yep?     So that means both base resistors AND coupling resistors?

[Yun]

Yep

lol...yep?     So that means both base resistors AND coupling resistors?

Sorry, i meant the base resistors.  The coupling resistors SHOULD already be 15K.  If not- then thange them to 15K . 

[amz-fx]

The Sustain Punch Creamy Dreamer definitely has caps across the clipping diodes.

-Jack

[vanessa]

-The tone stack was NOT messed with or modded in any way.

What tone stack are you going from? There are several. Do you have those values?

[Yun]

The Sustain Punch Creamy Dreamer definitely has caps across the clipping diodes.

-Jack

Are you sure, man?  I guess somebody else removed them....i just put the 470uf caps back in; i don't hear any major difference with them in or out.  I think it's more of the fact that it's so loud and fuzzy and my "ears of years" aren't as good as they used to be....

Vanessa,

It was just a plain smooth black russian tone stack

Caps:

-.0047uf
-.01uf
-.1uf

[bwanasonic]

Trying to get the gist of this, since I may finally get around to building a BMP soon. The proposed mod seems to be: remove the emitter resistors, and change the stage coupling resistors to 15-18k? I'm actually looking more for a 70's prog tone (*The 3 Steves* - Hackett, Hillage, Howe, Fripp, etc.), but I like the huge *pumpkin* tone as well.

Kerry M

[Yun]

Trying to get the gist of this, since I may finally get around to building a BMP soon. The proposed mod seems to be: remove the emitter resistors, and change the stage coupling resistors to 15-18k? I'm actually looking more for a 70's prog tone (*The 3 Steves* - Hackett, Hillage, Howe, Fripp, etc.), but I like the huge *pumpkin* tone as well.

Kerry M

Sorry, i didn't make it very clear.  That's my fault.  So here goes:

-Coupling resistors=18K
-8.2K or 10K resistors (on base of transistors) is 15K or 18K, i'd just put 20K trimmers....i can't remember but i'm PRETTY sure that it was 15K
-Q1 , Q2, and Q3 = Remove the emitter resistors
-Remove the 470pf caps, which as i said earlier:  i can't hear a major difference.  I can tell, however, that when removed it gets louder (more output) and....."Airy" .  I can't think of a good way to describe it.  Just socket the 470pf caps, and see what sounds better....

[Yun]

hopefully this will help:



I had some pics of the insides of a creammy dreamer, now i modified it in MS Paint to show the resistor values. 

i THINK that i modified the pic correctly............

[JimRayden]

Heh heh, i wonder how hard was it to scrape off the goo.

It'd be cool if he had "You shouldn't be scraping off the goo, you're bad." etched on the PCB...

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Jimbo

[donald stringer]

So if I have this correct, I can build a big muff [general guitar gadgets] and do these mods and have a creamy dreamer.

[JimRayden]

So if I have this correct, I can build a big muff [general guitar gadgets] and do these mods and have a creamy dreamer.

Well, now you can have one, dude.  Do you have a big muff eh?  If not; just buy a russian one, and do the mods that i listed above, man....

If Yun's right, then yes.

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Jimbo

[jimbob]

I think Ill give it a try. Thanks Yun.

[brad]

I bought a Black Russian muff today so I could try some other mod ideas on it, but I'll give the Creamy Dreamer mod a go this weekend and see how it goes.  I've already noticed it doesn't use 2n5088's, so maybe I'll draw up a schematic and whatnot.

[Bernardduur]

Thanks Yun!!