;D Just KIDING! NO I don't want to start yet another discussion on this topic.
I can just hear some of you mumbling as they read the title....."Not a #@$%#$% cap question again!.....can't he use the @#%@#% search......"
ever tried Parbleu Caps?
:icon_mrgreen:
Damn! I was just polishing my capsniffer whacker.
I've read enough on dialectric distortion to know that I don't care about a 30V cap's 1% THD at 10Khz at 30V when I'm putting it in a 9v fuzzbox with 40% THD.
This one:
(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2007/11/flux.jpg)
(Needless to mention, but it will need 1.21 Jigawatts of power to operate).
A working one. ;)
Reverse biased electrolytic caps for that popping sound.
This one
(http://www.rainbowguitars.com/imagesproduct/nn/nnu87aisetz-xl.jpg)
But how the hell am I suppose to sell my special boutique effects on craiglist or ebay if I don't have candy orange drop rainbow gold fish caps in them?
Quote from: alparent on January 09, 2013, 08:22:17 PM
But how the hell am I suppose to sell my special boutique effects on craiglist or ebay if I don't have candy orange drop rainbow gold fish caps in them?
Fake them? ???
These must be good...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack)
Andrew.
Quote from: electrosonic on January 09, 2013, 08:34:45 PM
These must be good...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack)
Andrew.
I'm in the wrong business if you can get that kind of money for Black Beauty caps. Molded caps like that usually split at the mold parting line and develop leakage from water vapour getting into the wax dielectric. If you are restoring an antique radio, they usually get replaced by modern film capacitors.
Quote from: electrosonic on January 09, 2013, 08:34:45 PM
These must be good...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack)
Andrew.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found this at The Twelfth Fret and laughed almost as hard.
(http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y370/rouejeremy/424498_10151403707565601_1620183532_n.jpg)
In the spirit of this BS post...
How to get better tone?
Caps?
Diodes?
Clean power?
Vintage transistors?
Lessons?
Less beer?
More beer?
Longer fingers?
Stronger fingers?
To paraphrase Stanley Kubrick:
"How I learned to stop worrying and love my tone"
The funniest part is that I have drawers full of these mojo inspiring components.
(Given to me buy an older gent that use to be an electronics repair man)
But I never use them 'cause they are huge and never fit on the layouts I find.
Maybe I'll just put them in my safe and leave them to my son in his inheritance (along with the SAD1024)
does that 14$ cap really say "oil paper cap", or are my eyes misreading?
a fellow I knew, owned his own company making lighting desks, used to attach an electro to a long mains flex, hang it out the front door, and turn it on. I can't remember what value he said made the best sound, but he also used resistors connected to the bench supply to light his cigs.
dunno what happened to him, but his business isn't there any more.
Quote from: electrosonic on January 09, 2013, 08:34:45 PM
These must be good...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/gibson-historic-bumblebee-capacitors-2-pack)
Andrew.
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$33.00 savings is still a good deal though :D
I once dared mentioning the unimportance of capacitor type as a comment to a premier guitar article comparing the different qualities of all those bumblebees, goldfish and what not caps.
I had comments of people arguing over this for months. Some got pissed to the point of insulting each other agressively ...
I miss reading them at the office every morning with my coffee, that was finest entertainment :-)
Yep, audio capacitor -threads never fail to deliver.
How about breaking them in?
::)
capacitors need breaking in now as well?
I knew the polarised, oxygen free copper mains leads needed breaking in, but any fool knew that.
and is that 14$ cap a "tone cap" or a "string ground cap"? you wouldn't want to get those two confused.
Quote from: teemuk on January 10, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
Yep, audio capacitor -threads never fail to deliver.
How about breaking them in?
::)
Yeah, with oil filled caps, how often do you change the oil? I year or 5000 songs? Do you need to replace the filter as well? Does 5W-30 work all year round? Where is the sunp plug?
Quote from: amptramp on January 12, 2013, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: teemuk on January 10, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
Yep, audio capacitor -threads never fail to deliver.
How about breaking them in?
::)
Yeah, with oil filled caps, how often do you change the oil? I year or 5000 songs? Do you need to replace the filter as well? Does 5W-30 work all year round? Where is the sunp plug?
Heh, anyone who has a niche / sporty / classic car or motorcycle will possibly have experienced "what oil?" threads on auto forums. They're pretty much as messy as "what cap / speaker cable / etc" threads on audio sites. Messy.
Quote from: alparent on January 08, 2013, 11:13:09 AM
What type of capacitor gives the best sound?
...
No ... (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=99090)
I replace my paper in oil caps every 7500 songs.
I switched to synthetic oil and I'm good for 15 000 songs.
But you can't get the organic richness of crude oil with synthetic products. It's like playing a modeling amp against the real deal. ::)
You guys are all wrong. It's a combination of how many times the tone knob is turned down AND the oil. The oil in teh capacitor breaks down the most while it is shunting highs to ground. That's why I turn the tone knobs up to ten when I'm not using the guitar. It extends the caps life by at least 5 years.
I always wondered what the tone knob on a guitar was for. now, it seems, it is there to preserve the life of the tone capacitor. my guit's cap isn't oil filled. where does that leave me, tone knob-wise?
(I might add that my guitar needs new controls and wiring ..... )
If you doubt the validity of information in above posts, here's a random oscilloscope capture that proves everything correct.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies/icons/oscillo3-RS.jpg)
You noticed that faded wave in the middle of the scop's screen! That's how you know your due for an oil change!
The best sounding caps to me are the ones that have sound going thru them. :icon_wink:
$150 for 2 capacitors...you have got to be kidding me...What are they made of? Unobtainium?
I love these threads by the way :) I feel sorry for the new guy thats just starting out in pedal electronics and doesnt know any better though.
Paul
Quote from: alparent on January 14, 2013, 10:53:56 AM
You noticed that faded wave in the middle of the scop's screen! That's how you know your due for an oil change!
Yup, too much Mustang Sally.
Only the finest tropical wood housing
http://www.dhtrob.com/projecten/elna1_en.php
" .... A look at the actual capacitor, a piece of rolled up paper with the electrolyt in between. Remove carefully the filings by blowing or by brushing...."
I only got to page two, I get better ways to waste my download limit.
I wonder if these guys have thought of stone as a casing. nice bit of granite for each of your 10uF 35V electros.
.... now stop fileing, and carefully blow away the filings ....
Alternatively, you could create a vinyl sticker to go round your electrolitics. The following example has all the relevant words and just looking at the cap will make your pedal sound better - even before you fit it.....
(http://www.stallibrass.com/images/upyrars.jpg)
Here are some fancier wrapper alternatives.... a whole series of them.
Tropical Fish caps = TONE! ;)
(http://www.science-store.com/ga65-sealife/posters/tropical_fish.jpg)
Quote from: teemuk on January 16, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Here are some fancier wrapper alternatives.... a whole series of them.
Tropical Fish caps = TONE! ;)
(http://www.science-store.com/ga65-sealife/posters/tropical_fish.jpg)
LOL
No really I LOLed.
Quote from: teemuk on January 10, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
How about breaking them in?
I like to toast mine before installing, about 23m in a popcornmaker. This only works when using fresh natural oils for filling the caps, and finishing with a triglyceride mixture commonly know as butterfat. This reduces break-in time by over 15%.
Quote from: jk-fm on January 15, 2013, 11:46:06 PM
Only the finest tropical wood housing
http://www.dhtrob.com/projecten/elna1_en.php
Ok, I could understand wanting to put a nice wood cover on an exposed cap....let's say for a exposed tube amp with big caps on the outside.
But you don't have to dismental the caps to do that!
But his last sentance got me........"Now your caps will sound better!" Come on!
Quote from: jk-fm on January 15, 2013, 11:46:06 PM
Only the finest tropical wood housing
http://www.dhtrob.com/projecten/elna1_en.php
"takes only 2 hours of your time" - Ahhh I've been looking for something to do between breakfast and lunch! Great!
"If you do not trust your skills, Cees Piet is willing to make you a pair as described above. This will cost you 50Euros, the capacitors excluded" - Thats most kind of him to do it for just 50Euros. I'm such a clumbsy idiot with my bankirai wood enclosures! Maybe he could replace all of the caps in my Rogue synth like this.
Great way to stop your caps from dissipating heat and shorten their life.
Jeez people are stupid.
the problem, I find, with the tropical fish caps, is keeping their water heated.
now, if they was encased in stone, we could have something like a sauna system ....
If our perceptions effect what we think "sounds good" then whichever capacitor looks the coolest to you or has the most historic/sentimental value to you should be the one that sound the best to you.` :P
custom built copper, silk, & mahogany cap
http://studiozey.com/vnmcap/index.html
Quote from: jk-fm on January 21, 2013, 07:32:55 PM
custom built copper, silk, & mahogany cap
http://studiozey.com/vnmcap/index.html
Anyone knows where I can source my own "audio grade copper foil"?
Church roof?
Quote from: teemuk on January 16, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Here are some fancier wrapper alternatives.... a whole series of them.
Tropical Fish caps = TONE! ;)
(http://www.science-store.com/ga65-sealife/posters/tropical_fish.jpg)
The 2 white ones in the middle......is that for matched capacitors? You know you have to match your caps ..... for the ultimate tone ..... right!?
Seriously for a moment though it's difficult within this thread, I had a problem with a twin caster build. I'd fluffed the wiring somewhere but while I was debugging, I found that bigger caps really helped the tone. Now I appreciate that the original tone was being totally strangled by my mistake but it makes me wonder if, in part, these special caps do actually improve the sound of a 'badly' designed amp and hence their reputation?
Probably not but there is a part of me that likes to think that some of these mega-fi amps aren't all they're cracked up to be
How do you mean "bigger"? As in larger capacitance? Of course a different capacitance will have an effect, but that has nothing to do with the type of construction or dielectric or the brand.
Bigger as in higher voltage, physically larger same value. In my case, they were apparently holding a higher charge which in turn allowed the circuit to perform better when a miss wiring was bleeding a good amount of my precious 12v to ground. Effectively, they were becoming the battery. (sort of)
I must point out however that when the miss wiring was corrected, changing the caps made absolutely no difference whatsoever
Quote from: alparent on January 22, 2013, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: teemuk on January 16, 2013, 10:55:45 AM
Here are some fancier wrapper alternatives.... a whole series of them.
Tropical Fish caps = TONE! ;)
(http://www.science-store.com/ga65-sealife/posters/tropical_fish.jpg)
The 2 white ones in the middle......is that for matched capacitors? You know you have to match your caps ..... for the ultimate tone ..... right!?
Of course! But someone seems to have hooked up the polarities completely wrong here...
Quote from: stallik on January 22, 2013, 08:34:49 AM
Bigger as in higher voltage, physically larger same value. In my case, they were apparently holding a higher charge which in turn allowed the circuit to perform better when a miss wiring was bleeding a good amount of my precious 12v to ground. Effectively, they were becoming the battery. (sort of)
I must point out however that when the miss wiring was corrected, changing the caps made absolutely no difference whatsoever
I suspect that while equal in nominal value, the capacitors where different in actual value. It made some difference in your miswired circuit, but not in the correct one. Caps are usually about 20% tolerance, so two caps of equal value might be far from equal.
To verify your findings you'd have to match your caps (sorry, had to get that in here).
You guys realise that I have add more replies to this bogus post then I ever got with a serious one! Go figure? ::)
Studiozey.com is.... woah. Just finished reading the whole website and wood modding a 100uf electrolytic. We'll see how it sounds haha. That website had me saying "wtf is going on" more than any other on the web. @55 euro for a capacitor, they better be the best damn capacitors on the planet.
Don't know if different woods gives different tones?
I think they have a 900 number where you can talk to a psychic and she will tell you what wood would better compliment your ora.
I stopped looking at that site after two pages. spare me!
does this block make (much as I hate it) wooden vero? audio standard copper, natch. that would improve the sound of some fuzz boxes, I'm sure.
and I want to see something he has built with this tree crap. something like a 100W stereo amp, or better still, a preamp, with all the rca sockets needed for modern life, and all made from wood. he can make the case from wax impregnated silk, if it helps ....
for "block" above, read either blockhead or bloke, which is what I meant to type
Quote from: jk-fm on January 15, 2013, 11:46:06 PM
Only the finest tropical wood housing
http://www.dhtrob.com/projecten/elna1_en.php
"This modification takes only 2 hours of your time if stuck to the materials mentioned above (the making of the wooden housings excluded). It is fun doing this, sure different than most modifications to amplifiers! If you do not trust your skills, Cees Piet is willing to make you a pair as described above. This will cost you 50Euros, the capacitors excluded. Contact for more information Cees."
Or to save time and money (and it's more fun!), you could smear peanut butter in your butt crack and achieve an even better sound. Caveats: (1) you must sit on the device containing the capacitors, and (2) the peanut butter is no longer edible.
It would be great if someone would try it and post a video.
you are just looking to start an argument over the benefits of crunchy over smooth
;D
That would be an even better reason for someone to do a demo.
(Caveats: (1) you must sit on the device containing the capacitors)
This is plain silly! how on earth would you operate the footswitch? but then again, a video of the attempt would amuse...
And that is how the peanut butter flavored Capacitor suppository was invented.
You stick it in and it changes the tone of your voice. The bigger the cap, the higher the tone :o
Used alot by spys like 007.
Sorry no video.
:icon_idea:...and probably explains how the Bee Gees were able to sing so high.
For those who are really picky...
And for those who rather stay away...
[EDIT:] removed above links on popular (?) demand... (see reply#66 (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=100767.msg902704#msg902704))
those who are really picky: "google" yourself through the "waybackmachine"
to what a certain "W. Jung" thought was neccessary to write back in 1980
about a.o. audio-considerations concerning capacitors...
and those who rather stay away from capacitors
stay away from "puretube" - posts/threads
in the "Members Only" - section of this forum
...or ignore the latter warning!
Seriously, why do you keep posting links that link to links that you previously posted that link to other links you posted? You're not helping anyone.
Quote from: rousejeremy on March 23, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Seriously, why do you keep posting links that link to links that you previously posted that link to other links you posted? You're not helping anyone.
FYI... (http://www.maxwellrosspierson.com/2009/03/17/how-to-pick-audio-capacitors/)
what`s (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-c-r-stuff-anyhow)
all (http://www.co-bw.com/Audio_Capacitor_Distrotion_Mechanisms.htm)
this (http://my.execpc.com/~endlr/index.html)
"Sound" (http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN5663.pdf)
of (http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1272757&page_number=1)
capacitors (http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/capacitor_voltage_change.htm)
anyhow? (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-capacitor-leakage-stuff-anyhow)
Just (http://www.analog.com/library/analogdialogue/archives/43-09/edch%2010%20passives.pdf)
read (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/files/national/htm/nsc03883.htm)
what (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-soakage-stuff-anyhow)
you (http://www.keith-snook.info/capacitor-soakage.html)
hear... (http://www.keith-snook.info/capacitor-soakage-more.html)
or (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/files/national/htm/nsc03883.htm)
don`t... (http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~reese/electrolytics/)
p.s.: re-link freom reply #65... (http://web.archive.org/web/20031004111144/http://www.capacitors.com/picking_capacitors/pickcap.htm#intro)
Quote from: puretube on August 01, 2013, 02:08:11 PM
Quote from: rousejeremy on March 23, 2013, 12:26:58 PM
Seriously, why do you keep posting links that link to links that you previously posted that link to other links you posted? You're not helping anyone.
FYI... (http://www.maxwellrosspierson.com/2009/03/17/how-to-pick-audio-capacitors/)
what`s (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-c-r-stuff-anyhow)
all (http://www.co-bw.com/Audio_Capacitor_Distrotion_Mechanisms.htm)
this (http://my.execpc.com/~endlr/index.html)
"Sound" (http://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN5663.pdf)
of (http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1272757&page_number=1)
capacitors (http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/capacitor_voltage_change.htm)
anyhow? (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-capacitor-leakage-stuff-anyhow)
Just (http://www.analog.com/library/analogdialogue/archives/43-09/edch%2010%20passives.pdf)
read (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/files/national/htm/nsc03883.htm)
what (http://electronicdesign.com/analog/whats-all-soakage-stuff-anyhow)
you (http://www.keith-snook.info/capacitor-soakage.html)
hear... (http://www.keith-snook.info/capacitor-soakage-more.html)
or (http://www.datasheetarchive.com/files/national/htm/nsc03883.htm)
don`t... (http://www.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~reese/electrolytics/)
p.s.: re-link freom reply #65... (http://web.archive.org/web/20031004111144/http://www.capacitors.com/picking_capacitors/pickcap.htm#intro)
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