Not bad.
Now you have to set up a mike and hum through one of your many fuzz boxes to fake the drone strings. ;D
Nice. I can almost smell the joss sticks, and see the rug.
thanks bros. i'll try and get one with the proper delay setup... tho i think straight ousb may be the most realistic..
i guess where there's a will, there's a way.
first up, a word about the pedals used. normally, i use the delay in my old boss be5 set to self oscillate as a drone in whatever key i want by using the shortest delay setting, very wet and then bringing up the feedback till it starts to self oscillate. then i "tune" the drone with the delay time knob until it's in tune, usually with my e or a strings.
today, i used a memory toy, which doesn't work so well unless plugged into a wart... the boss unit really excells at that, but that'll be a different episode.
the fuzzbox i did an earlier SPT with, called it the purple haze pedal ;) originally it had a fuzzface feeding a guitarpcb TODD overdrive, but i changed it around so it had gus's ousb feeding the fuzzface. didn't like it. so now it's the fuzzface first, the ousb second and sounds and interacts much better.
the fuzzface is a si/ge hybrid with an npn i grabbed out of the junk drawer untested, and an ac 17x ge with about 100hfe. it has a 10k trimmer to tune it, and is pretty much bone stock other than adding a snubber to the si transistor to chill some noise. having some issues with this when the guitar's rolled back i need to figure out.
the ousb i changed the 100k gain pot to 50k, as gus suggested. i miss the insanity 100k gives, but it's not a sound i'd use much live. this way i can run the level up half way, and barely crack the gain. the other mods are a tap from the input of the circuit to the high side of a 50k pot, with a .047 cap to ground from the wiper... a crude tone control, but it works great for taming the upper harmonic fizzies and noise. cutting treble before the octave seems to make for a cleaner sound, and there's plenty of sizzle from the half way point up if ya want. also swapped out the tl082 i had in it for a 5532, which also helped with noise some.
the diodes i used are a pair of ge on each side, an 1n34a and an 1n60 in series. to my ear, that combo sounded best.
the clone theory was built off of cathexis's vero which i redrew to be a little more clear. last nite i swapped out all the chips from tl082 to 5532, which seemed to help not only some of the noise in the CT, but also seems to have improved it's output to unity, which had been an issue before.
delay here is a cheesy ass eh memory toy
amp a dano hodad...cool little amp. the "reverb" is the slap echo in the amp.
while by no means perfect, you can get some interesting sitar like sounds... don't try to play chords or double stops, tho power chords and other simple diads can sound great or ring modulated. by playing different intervals simultaneously, you can do some very ring mod-y stuff, but i'm getting off track.
Nice jimi!!! now where do i get those schematics.......... :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:
hi ryan,
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the layouts/veros/schems etc are fairly easy to find.
google clone theory project with the search engine, and you'll find a lot of stuff right here on the forum.
all it is is a fuzface , gus smalley's OUSB, clone theory, delay. that's it. you just need a delay that can self oscillate and get really short delay times.
if ya need more than that, gimme a shout bro, and i'll dig ya up some linkies. ;)
i'll have a pilau rice, with keema nan, and a chicken korma please.. ;)
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thank you for choosing pinkie mart.
want chips with that? here, or to go?
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Pretty cool. :icon_cool:
Far out! I closed my eyes while I listened to your video and this is what I saw:
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But when I opened them... :(
While your eyes were closed I had my way with her in the bedroom! ;D
i love that commercial on tv lately with that chick playing sitar... "only 173 more bars".... ;)
The best sitar/guitar I've ever heard.
Grand respect!
i'm not worthy, but thank you!
That sounds really good!
I've done similar stuff with other octave-up fuzzes by turning my guitar volume down low- but yours sounds very authentic.
I got a cool drone thing working once, let me know if you want details. It was equipment intensive- involved two guitars and two amps but worked extremely well.
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Anoushka?
She is a beautiful lady. There is nothing about that photo I don't love.
doug.... hip us baby!! ;)
Quote from: pinkjimiphoton on July 19, 2013, 03:11:50 PM
doug.... hip us baby!! ;)
I built a sustainer using one of those "turn anything into speaker" transducers. I C-clamped it to the headstock of my squire strat. I split the signal coming out of the guitar: sent one side to a guitar amp, sent the other side to an LM386 amp that drove the transducer. It was the Runoffgroove 386 amp with the push-pull circuit, can't remember the name. Worked really great.
So for doing a drone, like a sitar I did this. Tuned the squire strat guitar to D modal. Set the guitar in a stand and plugged it into an amp. It had the transducer mounted to its headstock. Now here's the trick: I used another guitar to drive the LM386 amp. I split its signal, ran one side to the LM386, the other side to another guitar amp. So you have 2 guitar amps, 2 guitars, and one guitar is driving the other guitar via the LM386 and transducer.
Then I started playing sitar-like licks on the other guitar, and the guitar on the stand start responding to it via the transducer. It hummed right along, reacted really good and sounded beautiful: for about 30 seconds. Then something shorted in my LM386 circuit and fried the chips. I put in 2 replacements and those fried too. It's really weird because I never had a problem with it until I tried this. I never got around to fixing it. I think I'm just going to start with a new perfboard, it is simple enough. But I know the concept
does work.
Next thing I wanted to try was plug an oct-up fuzz into the leg going to the guitar amp, for the guitar I was playing, to attempt to really nail the sitar sound with the droning. Like I said it involves a lot of equipment, but it really does work.
that is a great idea, really cool!!
for some reason tho, i keep seeing nigel tufnel playing one guitar with a violin, while kicking the one on the stand... :icon_mrgreen:
Quote from: pinkjimiphoton on July 19, 2013, 07:50:29 PM
that is a great idea, really cool!!
for some reason tho, i keep seeing nigel tufnel playing one guitar with a violin, while kicking the one on the stand... :icon_mrgreen:
Yeah, it's kind of like that, except you don't need to kick the stand.
i wounder if it would still work at stage volumes? cuz that would be insane...have you gigged with it?
the never ending quest for weird ways to get cool sounds... sometimes i think the sounds themselves are beckoning like silenced sirens waiting
to again unleash some godforsaken banshee's wail...
;)
i have gotta get one of those things and try it. i have a telephone speaker i was thinking about playing with in a similar manner, but putting the driver on the detuned squire is
true genius. well done!!
i bet would work well with the 12 string on my double.
then when i play my les paul guitar with my detuned violin, i can get the drone without kicking my strat. bloody genius.
i think i just channelled nigel. if only they could do something about these tiny slices of bread..
bad humor for a saturday morning. ;)
you need some of them chips? i can send ya some if ya need 'em. that sounds too cool to not be able to play with. ;)
Nothing about this sustainer is gig-worthy.;-) It's just a home experiment. Probably need to get a mechanical designer like Paul to come up with a cool enclosure and a slick way of attaching it to the guitar and keeping the cables organized.
But the way a sitar drone works is it is acoustic and mechanical resonance. Outside of DSP, like EHX did, I don't think an all electronic approach is going to sound that great, esp for generating the drone sound.
Maybe make something like a small lap steel with a pickup and device to vibrate it and put it in an isolation box
dudes, do a small box with an octave of chromatically tuned strings, over a single dano lipstick tube and maybe the springs from a couple of them toy "reverb" microphones too for extra ringy drony goodness? ;)
Since the sitar has a bunch of tuned strings that are activated by sympathetic vibration of the strings that are plucked, you could generate a box with gyrators for the inductors and capacitors to tune the sympathetic strings. Gyrators are used in graphic equalizers, so the design exists - you just have to apply it by hitting it with the string input and adding the extra tuned circuit outputs to the picked string output. The picked output may need a heavy fuzz to give it the true sitar sound.
Quote from: amptramp on July 20, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
Since the sitar has a bunch of tuned strings that are activated by sympathetic vibration of the strings that are plucked, you could generate a box with gyrators for the inductors and capacitors to tune the sympathetic strings. Gyrators are used in graphic equalizers, so the design exists - you just have to apply it by hitting it with the string input and adding the extra tuned circuit outputs to the picked string output. The picked output may need a heavy fuzz to give it the true sitar sound.
Sounds like a lot of effort, if I was that keen for a sitar sound, surely it'd be easier to buy a sitar...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sitar-/281135933553?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Sting_Instruments&hash=item417501e871
I never quite 'got' the quest for a sitar sound (other than for a novelty/quirky bit of fun, my Variax had one - & the novelty got old unfeasibly quick), I really can't think of one occasion in my life where I thought to myself..."
Hmm, what this song really needs is a sitar."
Perhaps it's akin to a mountaineering thing i.e. ..... "
cos it's there"
It's like that moog sustainer guitar that kills/dampens the strings & makes the guitar play/feel a bit like a banjo..... nope, I don't get it! (sure it's clever, but a feature no guitarist has ever yearned for)
Or.......
Throw down the money for one of these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GZGDYJ77xA
Listen about two minutes in.
I love The Tea Party (band, not astro-turfing wankers pretending to be something positively political) and as such have had a decent amount of time fiddling around looking for eastern, mid eastern, etc sounds.
The shortest path to GOOD results is an odd one (IMNSHO) - short delay (doubling) and reverb, even better if you can split the doubling off and square it right up, but ultimately TUNINGS.
DGDGGD (low to high) is the most accessible and least horrendous on the strings - crack out the open tunings based on eastern/mideastern/indian scales and you will get something the audiences' minds will associate much more with a sitar or similar than these (albeit VERY awesome) tricks in this thread.
;)
I already had the sustainer so it was a small matter of hooking it up differently to do the droning thing. For me, there's a wide panorama of stuff you can do with it, beyond just emulating a sitar. I'm not interested in emulating sitar on a guitar per se. I'm more interested in exploring some of the concepts of the sounds created by a sitar, and applying them to guitar for whatever purposes.
Edit: The tuning suggestion is correct. If you really want to make your guitar "sound like a sitar" and you want to play music that sounds like ragas and so forth, start with the open tuning first.
i figured rg may be interested, as he'd just posted "sitars...mostly @mark" like a week or so ago.
i don't really care to sound like a sitar, tho it's an interesting flavor to add sometimes. depends on what you're into.
the more sounds one can get out of an electric geetar, the better imnvho.... from mating buffalo being tased to sitars to the sounds of heavy metal flying and beyond, it's all good..
especially if ya can emulate something without synthesis, or with something easy and cheap to build. while i doubt most of the folks out there are gonna be playing "siberian khatru" any time soon, well, if'n they need to, here's one way to fake it (except this really only works on single notes, diads and more complex sound more like a ring mod)
so i'm with doug on this one. if i REALLY wanted a sitar, i'd either buy one, or buy one of them ravish sitar pedals mike mathews came up with.
I do love making guitars sound like sitars... sometimes...
I've got an old Hondo with dual humbuckers (lawsuit *cough* era I'm told) in my shed, I'm considering brass top nut and scalloped fretboard on a new neck. The guitar is the heaviest (incl. the "studio" models from the big fellas) I've ever held and has a decent binding so sustain in the instrument is not a big issue. Going to recon the pickups (oxidized and pretty bad condition) to try to get some "non-traditional" sound out of them and use opend tunings torn straight out the middle east.
When going for those really extreme open tunings its a big step at times, strings and attenuation need attention to make it work.
Quote from: mistahead on July 22, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
When going for those really extreme open tunings its a big step at times, strings and attenuation need attention to make it work.
Drastic tension changes on the neck (changing tuning or heavier/lighter gauge strings) will affect your neck relief, and truss rod adjustments take a while to move and settle.
Then, you will next want to adjust your intonation. ;)
Attenuation - not the word I was looking for... INTONATION was.... thank you Tony.
(Guess who's been arguing about whether or not running a single span - 98m of Cat5 between two ends of a warehouse... it COULD work sure... but a repeater is so cheap...)