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Title: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Maakali on July 04, 2020, 11:06:13 AM
Working on a GGG Big Muff Pi, Civil war version...

Wiring diagram: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_bmp_wiring.pdf
Schem : http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_bmp_rusc_sc.pdf
BOM: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_bmp_rusc_bom.pdf
Layout: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/pdf/ggg_bmp_rusc_lo.pdf

Passes signal when bypassed, when engaged I get a low volume high pitch whine, and I really have to crank the knobs to hear it.

Getting weird voltages to Qs 1, 2 & 4, though Q3 is in the ballpark.  Input voltage 9.2v
Q1 E 0.267v
     B 0.886v     
     C  0.892v
Q2  E 0.268v
      B 0.889v
      C 0.268v
Q3  E 0.204v
      B  0.812v
      C 3.314v
Q4  E 7.19v
      B 7.92V
      C 7.15v

It's driving me a bit batty and I figure I'm at the point where I'm just not seeing something that should be obvious.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Marcos - Munky on July 04, 2020, 02:24:40 PM
First thing, welcome!

While Q3 seems to have the most correct voltages, almost all of them seems to be off. To begin, since Q2 and Q3 stages are equal, they should have the same voltages.

Post photos of your board, both sides. My first guess is a wrong value resistor, but we have to check to be sure. Or is could be something else we can find when looking at your board.

Also, do you know how to do an audio probe test?
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: antonis on July 04, 2020, 02:57:43 PM
Hi & Welcome also.. :icon_wink:

As already Marcos said, it's probably a "silly" wiring issue, mainly located on Positive Collectror connections..

ALL B-E junctions behave well & healthy..!! :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Maakali on July 04, 2020, 05:54:55 PM
Images

(https://i.postimg.cc/SnR2cxWV/IMG-20200704-130348419.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnR2cxWV)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vxGDTYYr/IMG-20200704-130402006.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vxGDTYYr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wh2kHmk1/IMG-20200704-130418993.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wh2kHmk1)
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on July 04, 2020, 07:23:52 PM
Check R3, R10, and R22. R22 definitely looks like a 470 ohm resistor. Supposed to be 470K.

Make sure same mistake wasn't made in R3 and R10.
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Marcos - Munky on July 04, 2020, 07:52:54 PM
Ah crap, I hate those coloured resistors. They're so hard to read.

R2, R10 and R22 looks like 470r to me, when they should be 470K. For the blue ones, I can't say anything. It's usual for some colors end up blending with the blue from the resistor, creating a totally different color, so I can't say they're correct or wrong.
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Phend on July 04, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Measure twice, solder once. (DMM)
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: antonis on July 05, 2020, 06:24:15 AM
First of all, verify firm conduct of all transistor legs with respective sockets.. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Maakali on July 05, 2020, 07:11:54 AM
O man I can tell you right now, without even looking at the pics going to the workbench, that those are definitely 470r.  I remember which bin I got them out of.  I'll get those swapped out today and will post the results.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Maakali on July 05, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
I'd like to thank everyone who participated in this July 4th Weekend edition of "Spot Dave's Dumb Mistake."  You have my eternal gratitude.

Swapped out the 470r for the correct 470k and she works like a dream. 

Honestly, the minute I saw the 470r mentioned I knew I had grabbed parts from the wrong bin.  I just couldn't see that at the time.

Pics of finished product attached.

My thanks again to all.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0Mkg0xG2/IMG-20200705-113920744.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Mkg0xG2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bSrK4TF7/IMG-20200705-113936941.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSrK4TF7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t7m0WKsp/IMG-20200705-113944804.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7m0WKsp)
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Marcos - Munky on July 05, 2020, 12:08:32 PM
Ah don't worry on that, happens to us more often than you think. And we usually check lots of times and can't see a wrong value part, then somebody finds it by just doing a quick look at a photo.

Glad to hear it's working now!
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: Gordo on July 05, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
Great looking build!
Title: Re: Troubleshooting GGG Big Muff Pi
Post by: POTL on July 05, 2020, 09:18:03 PM
Quote from: Maakali on July 05, 2020, 11:58:54 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/0Mkg0xG2/IMG-20200705-113920744.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0Mkg0xG2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bSrK4TF7/IMG-20200705-113936941.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bSrK4TF7)

(https://i.postimg.cc/t7m0WKsp/IMG-20200705-113944804.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t7m0WKsp)

good build, but the inscriptions in Russian is an epic failure.

I remembered an old meme from a series of films about the Bourne.
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aKxeOPb_460s.jpg)