Hi all,
I've made a fuzz face, I loved the sound but it has some problems, a "ouiinouiiiinouinnn" appears sometime even if i fixed it before and works perfectly. the probleme comes back. I give up this circuit to put another effect in the box.
But I love the fuzz sound, and even if I've a big muff (modified to have more mids (analogman's mod)) isn't the sound I'm looking for. I search a good fuzz for stoner rock (QSTA, nebula, kyuss ect.....). Powerful, maybe hi-gain , without mid scoop, not a lot of pots or switches, a great sound. I don"t want use germanium transistors, I wish use sillicon transistor to have more gain. I don't want also, an odd fuzz with some crazy sounds like scrambler ou fender blender. I'm looking for a useable fuzz for power chords and leads.
So do you know a good fuzz for this ?
fuzz face 70's ? (fuzz face with mids pot, similar to fulltone 70's ?)
jordan bosstone ?
univox superfuzz?
a fuzz face with mods ?
something else ?
Yesterday I used the search fonction and I saw the Jordan Bosstone was very appreciated here with the univox superfuzz.
So I'm waiting your advices and opinion. :)
thx
Try the whisker biscuit at RunOffGroove
the Bosstone is a nice pedal not to mention a pretty easy build. Dragonfly's VMF is also a good sounding pedal. the Colorsound Overdriver is a big bad pedal. i just finished up a mean Ross Distortion that i was playing with. i like all these pedals but, i can't and won't say that they'll give you a specific sound. they are all big and mean though. rylan
You will want to make all of them in the end .... :icon_twisted:
Modded Fuzz Face
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f183/Hempathy/StonerFuzzV1-1.png)
I just drew this up real quickly - don't have time to change it right now - the cap from lug two of gain pot should be 10úF
QuoteYou will want to make all of them in the end ....
not all but some of them maybe ;D
I want to do a foxx tone machine clone with the switch of mids from fulltone ultimate octave, I must finish my project before.
I don't say it but I search a fuzz more "bassy" than "trebly". I don't find words to explain that but the sound of "the song of the deaf" and "firth it giveth" is a good begining.
nelson , your schemtic seems to be really cool, but why have you change the input cap for 220n ? you loose bass no ?
Nobody has opinions about the fuzz face 70's ?
Quote from: fuzzo on June 19, 2008, 09:13:54 AM
nelson , your schemtic seems to be really cool, but why have you change the input cap for 220n ? you loose bass no ?
It retains all the bass without getting "farty". Try it and see. Should take about 20 minutes to breadboard.
Sure but I haven't breadboard :-\
Quote from: fuzzo on June 19, 2008, 01:11:15 PM
Sure but I haven't breadboard :-\
I recommend you buy one - allows you to build circuits very cheaply to try them before committing them to an enclosure.
yes I must find one in store close to me, but i don't know if it's expensive. But it's true it can be cool to test circuit to see and ear if the sound is good. I did a lot of things on veroboard i didn't keep, I spoiled veroboards and solders, all landed in trash :-\.
I got a cheap one from Radio Shack for $12-15. It's got more than enough room for most of the simple stompbox stuff.
I've had good luck getting that sludgy stoner sound with the Great Cheddar/ Big Cheese, with an opamp boost (like microamp) on the front end to squish it out. That circuit has great character (70's, trashy and transistorized, but with good EQ choices) and has proved good for playing music in a way a lot of fun pedals haven't. That and the woolly mammoth on bass are legitimately stony. Now it's time to put some Sleep on...
try the Bee Baa in the full range position.
What is R4 for?
I built this yesterday, nice and easy with BC109Cs (both hfe approx 550) Sounds great unless gain is on full when it loses stability, just backed off slightly it has a great tone. I could do with just a bit more sustain but this is a great sounding circuit,
Col
fuzzo, try Axis Face Silicon from fuzz central, it's a FF type circuit with Si transistors, tweaked to sound "warm" like a Ge fuzz face, and the input cap is nicely chosen, no farty bass etc etc...
ps: what amp are you playing?
Quote from: fuzzo on June 19, 2008, 09:13:54 AMNobody has opinions about the fuzz face 70's ?
I built the GGG 70's Fuzz Face ... and it's evil. :icon_evil:
thanks for all your answers :icon_biggrin:
Quotewhat amp are you playing?
A peavy valveking 112, but I would change it for another amp (but I don't find a nice amp for my taste).
Quotefuzzo, try Axis Face Silicon from fuzz central, it's a FF type circuit with Si transistors, tweaked to sound "warm" like a Ge fuzz face, and the input cap is nicely chosen, no farty bass etc etc...
You talk about this one (http://fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com/axisface/axisfacesi3schematic.gif) ?
QuoteI built the GGG 70's Fuzz Face ... and it's evil.
it has a good or bad sound ? (I saw the fulltone 70 is based on the same schematic ::)) the youtube vidéo of ProGuitarShop is great but it's a vidéo to sell it, so we can doubt about the sound.
i think Josh Homme used a big muff in Kyuss
Quote from: fuzzo on June 23, 2008, 06:21:53 AM
You talk about this one (http://fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com/axisface/axisfacesi3schematic.gif) ?
Yes, that's the one!
No probs with temperature instability and you can use all sorts of Si transistors, search the forums, there is a list of low hfe Si transistors that sound good in Axis Face.
Anyways the amp is the key for this type of music, I used an Orange 50w clone and now I'm using a diy Hiwatt Custom 100, and with these kinds of amps, it's virtually impossible to fail to get a good tone., stoner or no stoner! :)
Someone mentioned Sleep?
Personally, I find crancking bass all the way, mids almost all the way and then work out with the treble to not to sound to harsh, and with a loud amp, eq like that, C tuning and a fuzz face, you're in Dopesmoker territory in no time...
I don't like the muff because it's scooped, you can boost the mids on the amp and compensate that a bit and it could work that way...
Ever heard of the band Annihilation Time? It's not stoner rock, more of a rock/hardcore band, but the guitarist(s?) uses a double muff, I remember he got a good tone out of it and it wasn't scooped.
Both guitarists from Truckfighters used bigmuffs and they fiddled with the tonecontrols on the amps for some time to get the most out of the sound, and not to sound too mid scooped...
I could talk all day long about these things...
ps: search the forums for Nelson's Citrus (orange) amp simulator, it can get fuzzy and it should sound nice!
Quote from: Gus on June 20, 2008, 03:44:57 PM
What is R4 for?
I guess it is superfluous no need for two VFL. I just drew up what I had on the breadboard at the time.
Quote from: col on June 22, 2008, 05:52:43 AM
I built this yesterday, nice and easy with BC109Cs (both hfe approx 550) Sounds great unless gain is on full when it loses stability, just backed off slightly it has a great tone. I could do with just a bit more sustain but this is a great sounding circuit,
Col
Mess with the bias of Q2 for more sustain, I currently have a 100KA pot feeding a 22K resistor to the collector of Q2 for a "gate" control. I don't get any instability and mine is on the breadboard. I am using a MPQ2484 for the transistors. I am using something similar to this to feed an octaver. I haven't really settled on a final "octave engine" yet.
QuoteI don't like the muff because it's scooped, you can boost the mids on the amp and compensate that a bit and it could work that way
yes, it's the famous probleme of the big muff, Even when I played alone I didn't hear what I was playing, so I modded my big muff to have more mids, and now the sound look like a smooth and agressive fuzz face, with more mids and sustain without this kind of roughness and lumpes in the sound.I installed a switch to have the 2 modes.
I finished my SHO booster yesterday and when it's in front of the big muff, it' results a good sound with a very long longgggg sustain.
I've also a 400Hz boost after my guitar (before all effects) to give more punch and power to my guitar.
But the sound of the big muff is very particular,it's true it's the big muff's sound, you love or you hate.
Quotenyways the amp is the key for this type of music, I used an Orange 50w clone and now I'm using a diy Hiwatt Custom 100, and with these kinds of amps, it's virtually impossible to fail to get a good tone., stoner or no stoner!
Sure, but I don't play with a band and so I need a little amp with a great sound (faty and rough (i like the kind of sound)), hard to find something like that in my country. It miss always something on those amps (EQ, 2nd channel, fx loop)
I took information of Nelson's Citrus (orange) amp simulator, It seems to be a great preamp :) I've idea to create a jfet amp (with 12 or 24VOLT to have more dynamic) with an amp simulator
I've made a stripboard layout of the jordan bosstone, Maybe i'll do this one, a lot of people like it here.
I'd try the Big Muff first, but they're very One Sound Only. Works for a lot of folks and they're not too pricey.
I've ditched my muff recently, and moved to a Bad Monkey/Fuzz Face setup and it is sludgy as all hell.
The amp seems to be the key to Stoner Rock. You have to push air and retain good low end. Powertube distortion rather than chunked-out preamp squish. ETC
Kyuss and QOTSA are famous for using Ampeg SVT bass stacks for guitars.
I'm using a seventies Bassman 10 and it is decent if not a rumbling as an ampeg.
Sludge on!
As mentioned earlier, try the Bee-Baa.
http://www.geofex.com/PCB_layouts/Layouts/baa-baa2.pdf
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=39629.0
Quote from: ambulancevoice on June 23, 2008, 07:17:56 AM
i think Josh Homme used a big muff in Kyuss
nope, it's all cranked ampegs. it looks like he's got a tube works preamp too:
(http://img49.echo.cx/img49/9366/homme3kyuss5nk.jpg)
Quote from: Shepherd on June 23, 2008, 07:25:25 PM
As mentioned earlier, try the Bee-Baa.
http://www.geofex.com/PCB_layouts/Layouts/baa-baa2.pdf
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=39629.0
it's a clone of roland bee baa ?
(http://www.rocknrollvintage.com/prodimages/1970's%20roland%20bee%20baa%20back.jpg)
didnt josh homme use bass amps on some of the qotsa recordings?
he used a bass amp in Kyuss, but in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live) for amplify his guitars with C tunning.
Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 08:19:21 AM
...in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live)...
...and an old (Japanese) Boss DS-1.
I'd recommend you look into Roger Mayer designs - Mongoose (a distant cousin of the ProCo Rat) and Stone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively).
QuoteStone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively
Are you sure about that ? made exclusively for the "stoner rock" ? 'cause it is a fuzz face with little mods.
roger mayer's stone fuzz (http://analogguru.an.ohost.de/193/schematics/RogerMayer_StoneFuzz.gif)
There's no end all fuzz that works exactly like 'this' when played through anything, or whatever.
When 2 says 1 is the end all to 4, at 9, when 5 is at a 6 setting, on amp #2, through cab 8, guitar 3, volume 9.
You can be absolutely certain the information your amplifier provides will be much easier to understand.
Your ability to take hints from the information your amplifier provides will determine how good you are at wringing tone out of your amplifer with your guitar, in your setting.
Room size and relative 'waveform-zone-amplitudes' can make a huge difference on how anything that sounds good sounds.
ie where you set the amp and how loud is it already, right in front of the amp.
I have bass and mids on my amp crancked all the the way, treble is at half, i'm using an Axis Face and a C tuned goldtop with P90's - dear diary, is there something wrong with my eq? I have never seen anyone else using this kind of mid extreme to sound that heavy! ;)
Axis Face fuzz at max, volume at 12' o clock, the amp is set to be clean but very loud, when the fuzz kicks in, the preamp gets boosted and the powertubes start to distort since the amp is already at insane volume levels...
Heh.
I use a boss GE7 to boost the 400hz and give more powerfull and vittaly to my sound. I don't touch the EQ on my amp. I would put another EQ in fx loop to really have a total control of my sound.
Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Are you sure about that ? made exclusively for the "stoner rock" ? 'cause it is a fuzz face with little mods.
Sorry, "exclusively" is maybe too strong a word. :icon_biggrin: But yeah, it was developed with a stoner-rocker in mind:
http://guitargeek.com/reviews/stonefuzz.php
Mongoose is also a great, great choice, if you like the sound - I do - it's a bit "edgier" then "classic" fuzzes, as it's essentially designed a lot like a Rat, it uses the same LM308 chip... but it's not a Rat, it's fuzzier and "wider" and gives much more of that "ocean of sound".
ho I saw the superfuzz video of proguitarshop.com, it's so great :o ( but I didn't hear if it works with powercords, it's ok or not? ). I read this pedal is based on Jordan bosstone + 2 controls.
I think i'll do a jordan bosstone;D with switch to select input caps (beside, it's very easy to make the stripboard ;D)
perhaps, someone has the superfuzz's schematic to see the modification made by voodoo lab ?
About axis face/fuzz face type of pedals, there is mod you can try...
Lower the input cap, say 220nF is a good value, but use a bigger electrolytic cap next to the fuzz control, it's usually 20uF (stock ff) and 15uF (axis face si), I've put 100uF, haven't tried it with a big amp yet, but with the small one in my bedroom, the whole fuzz sounds a bit meatier...
If I'm not mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong), this way you are limiting the amount of lows in the input of the circuit, that way preventing the first stage to get "farty", and with the high value of the electrolytic cap connected to the fuzz control, you are increasing the bass output of the circuit.
You take away the bass before distorting the singal, and adding it afterwards...
Quote from: Rocket Roll on June 25, 2008, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 08:19:21 AM
...in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live)...
...and an old (Japanese) Boss DS-1.
I'd recommend you look into Roger Mayer designs - Mongoose (a distant cousin of the ProCo Rat) and Stone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively).
are you sure about that? i thought he uses an SD-1.
Quote from: rm -rp ./Matt* on June 25, 2008, 01:03:43 AM
didnt josh homme use bass amps on some of the qotsa recordings?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Homme#Musical_equipment
(http://www.effettidiclara.com/img/pedalboard/joshhomme%202.jpg)
(http://www.effettidiclara.com/img/pedalboard/joshhomme.jpg)
Quote from: paperhouse on June 24, 2008, 12:30:52 AM
nope, it's all cranked ampegs. it looks like he's got a tube works preamp too:
really??? hmmm, well, they must have meant that they could get his tone from a big muff
so he got this sound from a cranked ampeg bass amp???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6IzdPbf8W8