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Title: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: ninjadave7 on May 06, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
i built jack orman's opamp buffer on vero and it works fine but is very hissy and noisy.  i'm powering it with a pp2 and it's on it's own plug, no sharing.  the buffer sits in a true bypass looper.  any ideas?
Title: Re: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: kvb on May 06, 2009, 03:51:56 PM
all I can say is that I asked this question once and the answer was runaway feedback.

In part of a buffered distortion I had an output that was too close to an input.
The problem could be a layout issue
The solution could be some shielded wire.
hope that helps
Title: Re: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: ayayay! on May 06, 2009, 04:36:57 PM
I see 3 variants of his opamp buffer.  I advise getting intimate with them, especially the part under "miscellaneous" that talks about power supply noise rejection.  :)  What I mean is, what kind of PS filtering did you use?  You still need it even with a good power supply.  It's not about the supply, it's about the pedal.   ;)

http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm

Oh my, I just realized I hit 1000! 
Title: Re: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: brett on May 06, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
Hi
choose your opamp carefully.  The ME5532 is very quiet, but has low input impedance, so it's not an buffer (!), the 741s and 4558s* hiss a lot.  In general, it's hard to beat a TL071/2/4. However, keep the input resistance low (resistor to Vref for a non-inverting confidguration) or you'll pick up RFI and other cable noise.
cheers


* 4558s are simply dual 741s.  Popular opinion has it that they contain enormous amounts of mojo (esp as feedback clippers), while 741s contain none.  I conclude that popular opinion is popular, not smart.
Title: Re: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: igor12 on May 07, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
My buffers are a little noisy too but clean up when I put them on a real circuit board with proper grounding and stuff.  Also 4558 are quieter than tl072.  Look up the datasheet  at mouser and look for the nV/Hz spec.  Also, look at different brand 4558's. Some are quiter than others.
Title: Re: buffer is noisy what can i do?
Post by: oldrocker on May 08, 2009, 11:33:55 AM
I put Jacks AMZ Simple Jfet Buffer on board my flying V.  Very low noise and works quite well.
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/ftrock/fvbuf3.jpg)