I think it would be really cool to be able to basically mimic an e-bow or any product that sustains a note or chord for a long time. Anyone know of anything or just of a circuit to look at to get ideas from? Thanks in advance!
EHX freeze!
The freeze is the slick, granular synthesis way to do it, the only other one I can think of is the boss DF-2 Distortion Feedbacker, which synthesized a feedback note from a phase locked loop IC when you hold the pedal down. Haven't seen anyone make a modded out version of that circuit, but there are a lot of interesting noise possibilities there.
I've wondered what it would sound like recording guitar that's feeding back in front of an amp, but splitting the dry off before the amp, so it is clean, but strangely sustained.
Quote from: Processaurus on July 23, 2011, 06:32:35 AMI've wondered what it would sound like recording guitar that's feeding back in front of an amp, but splitting the dry off before the amp, so it is clean, but strangely sustained.
sounds cool - split signal, one to small practice amp at high gain close to pick ups and the other to a clean amp mic'ed up in another room. have split signal with a piezo transducer clipped to the head stock with hit and miss sustainiac like results.
could a simple PT2399/delay circuit be modded with a hold function to infinitely repeat the last recorded pass?
No.
How about a reverb set for wet signal only, with a feedback loop controlled by a momentary switch?
Quote from: Processaurus on July 23, 2011, 06:32:35 AMI've wondered what it would sound like recording guitar that's feeding back in front of an amp, but splitting the dry off before the amp, so it is clean, but strangely sustained.
This I've done. It's pretty cool, but maybe not exactly what you're thinking you'll get. Sounds pretty much like playing through a loud, clean amp. It seems like the vibration of a feeding back string isn't often actually that strong. It sounds as loud as notes you'd play simply because of the compression action from all the distortion.
EHX Attack Decay isn't bad... not endless though.
Oh and I seem to remember the Pigtronix Compressor isn't bad at sustaining too.
there are some oscillating fuzz pedals that will have infinite sustain.
Quote from: CynicalMan on July 23, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
How about a reverb set for wet signal only, with a feedback loop controlled by a momentary switch?
That works in the digital world, you can make a reasonable Freeze effect using it. I guess an analogue version would work if you got the feedback just right.
Thanks guys!
I can't believe I never came across the EHX freeze! It's so cool! That's exactly what I was looking for.
Quote from: Processaurus on July 23, 2011, 06:32:35 AM
The freeze is the slick, granular synthesis way to do it, the only other one I can think of is the boss DF-2 Distortion Feedbacker, which synthesized a feedback note from a phase locked loop IC when you hold the pedal down. Haven't seen anyone make a modded out version of that circuit, but there are a lot of interesting noise possibilities there.
I've wondered what it would sound like recording guitar that's feeding back in front of an amp, but splitting the dry off before the amp, so it is clean, but strangely sustained.
Thanks for the tip!
Have U heard of the PAiA Infinity Plus?? ;)
A incandesent bulb compressor that sustains cleanly and for days :icon_eek:......
I had one many many many yrs ago.....don't know what happened to it :-X
Can't find the original PAia manual on the web, but here's some mods with a partial schematic.
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jc/pedalsInfinity.html
This page talks about the Infinity Plus and the history of PAiA.
http://sonic.net/mjones/paia/paia.html
IIRC, the complete manual in PDF is over at the Paia-YahooGroups site in the "files" section.
You'll have to join the Group to view the manual.
afn
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EDITED: found it!! It's actually in the documents section @ www.PAiA's.com.
http://www.paia.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=203
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fwiw the tonebender was designed to make the guitar extra sustany
also compressors like the dyna comp will definately add alot of sustain, with both a high gain fuzz or distortion and a compressor you should have no problem (other than noise and feedback)...
there's the behringer pedal that does it for cheap
Quote from: vendettav on July 23, 2011, 02:55:04 PM
there's the behringer pedal that does it for cheap
Is that their clone of the Boss Feedbacker?
Then there's this thing (http://vibesware.com/vibesware_english.htm).
That would be the "Tufnel Silent Trilith Stain-O-Matic" Rev. 10 11.
Quote from: vendettav on July 23, 2011, 02:55:04 PM
there's the behringer pedal that does it for cheap
The GR55 will sustain forever for very expensive. :icon_razz: :icon_razz: :icon_razz:
Quote from: toneman on July 23, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
Have U heard of the PAiA Infinity Plus?? ;)
A incandesent bulb compressor that sustains cleanly and for days :icon_eek:......
I had one many many many yrs ago.....don't know what happened to it :-X
Can't find the original PAia manual on the web, but here's some mods with a partial schematic.
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jc/pedalsInfinity.html
This page talks about the Infinity Plus and the history of PAiA.
http://sonic.net/mjones/paia/paia.html
IIRC, the complete manual in PDF is over at the Paia-YahooGroups site in the "files" section.
You'll have to join the Group to view the manual.
afn
:icon_cool:
EDITED: found it!! It's actually in the documents section @ www.PAiA's.com.
http://www.paia.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=203
:icon_cool:
Thanks!! I'm definitely building that!
haha I saw some Freeze tutorials and instantly ran out and bought it. It is so f*&king cool!
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Pigtronix Philosopher's Tone maybe :
http://www.pigtronix.com/products08/philosopherstone.html
Mich P.
Devices that sustain the actual guitar signal do so by leveraging volume to keep the strings vibrating. So any of the assorted "sustain" pedals, are simply compressors that raise the gain as the signal starts to die out. If one is playing quietly, then the apparent "sustain" is rather limited in duration. Using the same device in tandem with a nearby loud amplifier produces enough resonating of the guitar body to shake the strings at the fundamental frequency of the note and generate an ongoing "sustained" note/chord.
Pedals/devices that do not require high volume to work, like the EHX Freeze, the HOG, the old Korg X-911, or the Boss DF-2, synthesize a note or chord, based on what you fed them, and THAT is what is sustained, not the actual real-time guitar signal.
Quote from: toneman on July 23, 2011, 01:50:07 PM
Have U heard of the PAiA Infinity Plus?? ;)
A incandesent bulb compressor that sustains cleanly and for days :icon_eek:......
I had one many many many yrs ago.....don't know what happened to it :-X
Can't find the original PAia manual on the web, but here's some mods with a partial schematic.
http://www.lynx.bc.ca/~jc/pedalsInfinity.html
This page talks about the Infinity Plus and the history of PAiA.
http://sonic.net/mjones/paia/paia.html
IIRC, the complete manual in PDF is over at the Paia-YahooGroups site in the "files" section.
You'll have to join the Group to view the manual.
afn
:icon_cool:
EDITED: found it!! It's actually in the documents section @ www.PAiA's.com.
http://www.paia.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=203
:icon_cool:
anyone tried this?.....sounds good, if it sustains forever....
The Infinity Plus is but a humble compressor. Nothing terribly special about it other than the use of an incandescent bulb that will reduce audible ripple, where use of an LED might require some tweaking of time constants.
It will still require higher ampliier volume to result in any noticeable prolonged sustain...just like any other compressor out there. The "for days" part is more a reflection of just how impressed we all were with compressors back in 1978. I had a cheap little Univox compressor that was probably every bit as slapdash a design, and we were all equally impressed with it.
hmmm...not what it says on the tin then really..... ::)
so what would be the best compressor for sustain and squash...?
Tend to agree the schematic is underwhelming, I think this is the bit from the pdf blurb that needs referring to the regulating authorities...
""One of the gimmicks you can pull with the infinity plus is "controlled feedback",
Set the sustain duration control to maximum sustain, the guitar volume to the optimum output
and stand close to your speakers. Now strike a chord and hold it. As the vibrations of the string die away
the infinity Plus will bring the volume up until the point is reached at which
the sound from the amp is enough to keep the string vibrating""
Basically crank your amp up, stand in close proximity to your speakers & then use sound energy from the amplifier to excite/resonate your strings infinitely (or at least until the neighbours call the police). You can pull this off without a compressor, but even so, just about any compressor can help pull off this "gimmick"....it's a little naughty for them to infer that there's some form of USP going on here.
^ oh well, back to sustainer pickups then....and a zobel of course.....lol..lol... ;)
Quote from: deadastronaut on July 25, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
^ oh well, back to sustainer pickups then....
Do you have a circuit for one of those? Whaddaya mean it's a secret? ;)
Quote from: Gurner on July 25, 2011, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: deadastronaut on July 25, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
^ oh well, back to sustainer pickups then....
Do you have a circuit for one of those? Whaddaya mean it's a secret? ;)
Lol.
Quote from: Gurner on July 25, 2011, 04:56:24 PM
Do you have a circuit for one of those? Whaddaya mean it's a secret? ;)
What ever it is I bet you could do it better with a PIC :)
Quote from: Gurner on July 25, 2011, 04:56:24 PM
Quote from: deadastronaut on July 25, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
^ oh well, back to sustainer pickups then....
Do you have a circuit for one of those? Whaddaya mean it's a secret? ;)
well i could give you a long winded boring answer...but i can't, it
is a secret... ;D
If it's that big a secret you'd best hope nobody ever actually reads the lm386 datasheet! ;)
On the previous page I linked to a sustain driver which mounts on a mic stand. No mods to the guitar necessary. Much like stepping up close to a loud amp, except it's silent!