Reinvented the wheel AGAIN! Sounds damn good, though.

Started by superferrite, April 22, 2013, 01:33:48 AM

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superferrite

Like a lot of youse I have a bunch of tiny circuitboards built and in a bag or box, unfinished business or boring projects I pillage for the odd resistor etc.

Started hooking up boosters together after seeing a band with a really nice sound--turns out it was just a well-done mosfet boost pushing a tweed Fender. Hmm, out came the test box and heated up the iron.

Ended up with an LPB1 boosting into a SHO, the theory being "dull boost into bright boost" and overloading that second transistor a bit.
Sounds great, especially with a few clipping diode options on the LPB1's output, and is one hell of a giant boost without them.  Also needed a small (30k or something) resistor on the front end to tame down the harsh.
Sounds pretty true to my guitar's tone, as well.  Amazingly enough.
Try it out the next rainy day if you have a few minutes.

So, which commercial effect did I reinvent, anyhow?
Peace.
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John Lyons

Lovepedal made a business out of similar ideas but I don't think it's been done exactly.
Similar to the Fixed Fuzz as well...
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Paul Marossy

Yeah, if you pair up the right circuits the result can indeed sound pretty darn good.  :icon_cool:

ode2no1

if you slam a SHO with an lpb don't you still end up with the boosted volume that the lpb one provides though? not to say that it wouldn't sound good, or better than the lpb alone, but doesn't the SHO basically start at unity gain with whatever it is fed?

superferrite

You'd think...
Actually, it acts much like a Silverface Fender.   The LPB1 actually sets the "master" volume, and the second stage (the SHO) acts like a gain knob.  It's always on, just gets crunchier and boosts a bit.  You need to adjust the overall volume with both knobs. 

Try it out.
The diodes I have in there are a 1n4001 back to back combo (symmetrical) and a 1n34/BAT something or other for asymmetrical.
They each have their own merits, but the diode free signal has it's own appeal.
Very seventies sounding.
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joegagan

i get it. very cool sounding. two very nice boosts, the primitive meets hi-fi. the possibilities are exciting!

the brontoboost began as an lpb1 boosting a rangemaster. very different second stage. still , your concept is a cool direction. try huge input caps on either (or both) section (s).
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superferrite

Great to get some feedback, guys!   Will do, Joe.  I actually socketed the input cap, and tried up to 10uf.  Fart city!

Right now it is being playtested by a local punk rocker for some feedback.
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joegagan

ya, it is a fine line. just big enough ( 2.2U?), especially with a parallel .003u and you  can probably get a big fat broken speaker sound.
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Mark Hammer

Quote from: superferrite on April 22, 2013, 01:33:48 AM
Like a lot of youse I have a bunch of tiny circuitboards built and in a bag or box, unfinished business or boring projects I pillage for the odd resistor etc.

Started hooking up boosters together after seeing a band with a really nice sound--turns out it was just a well-done mosfet boost pushing a tweed Fender. Hmm, out came the test box and heated up the iron.

Ended up with an LPB1 boosting into a SHO, the theory being "dull boost into bright boost" and overloading that second transistor a bit.
Sounds great, especially with a few clipping diode options on the LPB1's output, and is one hell of a giant boost without them.  Also needed a small (30k or something) resistor on the front end to tame down the harsh.
Sounds pretty true to my guitar's tone, as well.  Amazingly enough.
Try it out the next rainy day if you have a few minutes.

So, which commercial effect did I reinvent, anyhow?
Peace.
Actually, several of the "Box of..." pedals that ZVex makes are essentially several cascaded boosters.  Since only the gain of one is variable, naturally the gain structure along the way is tailored to get a pleasing sound.  But in theory, there is nothing wrong with cascading several "clean" boosters.  Of course, when you send out two boys to play in their Sunday best, they generally don't come back in for lunch very clean at all!  :icon_lol: