Best Transistor for a Gyrator???

Started by Bill Mountain, December 18, 2013, 12:26:07 PM

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Bill Mountain

I'm working on a project and need a gyrator.  I have already used both 1/2's of a dual opamp and I still need something to make a gyrator.  I plan on using a transistor instead of an additional opamp (unless I come up with a need for a quad opamp -  maybe buffered Vref?) and I was wondering what parameters I should look for in a gyrator transistor.

The only thing I could think of was using a darlington transistor (or other high HFE transistors) so it has a higher input impedance and would be a more accurate buffer.  But I doubt it really even matters.

Thoughts?

R.G.

You're right about high hfe (the AC small signal version of the DC "HFE"). High gain single or Darlington, although darlington probably isn't needed. A lot of Boss pedals use NPN bipolars at about 200-400 hfe for gyrators in voicing fuzz pedals. Keen's Second Law still stands - when in doubt, use a 2N5088.

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R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.

amptramp

Darlingtons may have high gain and input impedance, but when the input signal moves towards cutoff, there is a substantial time taken for the charges in the output transistor base to recombine and turn the transistor off.  This leads to a difference in high frequency response between turning on and turning off.  Some people use a darlington with a resistor from the first emitter to the second emitter just to have a path for base current when it shuts off, but this reduces the input impedance.

http://www.geofex.com/

has an equalizer buried in "Vintage Effects Schematics" under Electro-Harmonix that shows op amp gyrators.  Transistors can't beat op amps at their own game and the op amps may be cheaper.  But as R.G. says, a single transistor with a high gain may be good enough.

Bill Mountain

Thanks guys.

I'll make sure to try it both ways before I commit.

Thanks!

Bill Mountain

Also...should I adjust the emitter resistor to get 4.5V on the collector?

PRR

> get 4.5V on the collector?

? ? ? Surely you want an Emitter Follower? You have not said what supply, but I'd ass-ume the collector is nailed to +9V.
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Bill Mountain

Quote from: PRR on December 19, 2013, 06:19:17 PM
> get 4.5V on the collector?

? ? ? Surely you want an Emitter Follower? You have not said what supply, but I'd ass-ume the collector is nailed to +9V.

Yes of course.  I meant to say 4.5V on the emitter.  I plan on using a 9V supply.  I'm tailoring the previous stage and so the eq stage with the gyrator doesn't clip at max boost.

PRR

> a higher input impedance and would be a more accurate buffer.

But you "want" resistance. Otherwise the Q tends to infinity, and that is almost never what we want in audio.

Mostly we use quite low Q. Like 1. So the input need only be a bit higher than the circuit, the output just a bit lower. Current gain of 100 limits us to Q=10(?). So any darn transistor is good enough for audio curves. '5088 is the go-to part. Lesser parts will do if you need to shave a penny.
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Bill Mountain

Thanks for the help guys.  I don't pretend to understand.  I just try to make things work.