Bluesbreaker: Original Diodes and Op-Amp?

Started by DrRogersA, December 21, 2021, 02:40:10 PM

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DrRogersA

Greetings, all.  I have a question for those with more pedal experience than I.  Can anyone confirm what op-amps and clipping diodes were used in the original early 90s Bluesbreaker pedal?  I've looked at lots of schematics - most seem to suggest TL072 as the op-amp and 1N4148 (or occasionally 1N914) for clipping diodes.  Can anyone tell me what was actually used in the early 90s production units?  Did they really use these bog-standard op-amps and diodes, not some unobtainium mojo parts?

The reason I ask is that I want to build a Bluesbreaker as close to stock as possible (with some switchable mods, perhaps), and then build a few variants (Morning Glory, Pantheon, King of Tone - complete with mojo diodes).

Right now I have the basic circuit on my breadboard.  I have tried it with many different clipping combinations, and for soft clipping it seems that 2x2 1N4148s or 1N914s sound pretty good.  For hard clipping, lots of things sound good, but I find I need a small cap across the second op-amp when I have hard clipping configured (certainly not stock).

Thanks much.

GibsonGM

Hey Doc, welcome!   "My sources" (probably as much 'net research as you've done) tell me that yes, it is that simple...'72 and 4x1N4148s.   Thing is - if you're mass-producing, you want to stick with OBTANIUM parts, so as to not run out ;)   

Boutique can be a different game...but like a TV manufacturer, the big dogs want CHEAP, easy to source stuff that they can buy 1 million of at a time.  I've never seen a 'real' schematic from them however.

I agree, a small cap really can take some fizz away! 
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According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.

Mark Hammer

More important will be the actual forward voltage of the diodes used, keeping in mind that the very same numbered part can exhibit a range of values.  Not huge, mind you, but shave off 100mv here and there, and the character of what gets generated at this or that Drive pot setting can be different.  Garden variety Si diodes like 1N914 an 1N4148 are fine in this application but they can range from the low 500mv Vf to mid 600s.

DrRogersA

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According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.

bartimaeus

Quote from: DrRogersA on December 21, 2021, 02:40:10 PM
The reason I ask is that I want to build a Bluesbreaker as close to stock as possible (with some switchable mods, perhaps), and then build a few variants (Morning Glory, Pantheon, King of Tone - complete with mojo diodes).

Also worth noting that the original used axial ceramic(?) capacitors, probably so the resistors and caps could be machine-populated. But I wouldn't recommend using too many ceramics in the audio path of any build as the possible microphonic issues aren't worth it.