Classic octavia vs fuzz + green ringer. Differences?

[nonost]

Hi guys. I've been wondering for a while about octafuzzes. What about a good fuzz face + green ringer instead of the well-known octavia.

That way you can have both independent effects and with just a simple booster for the ringer, they can both sound huge on its own.

Is there anybody out there with experience in this regard? Or are the octafuzzes mean to sound in some other way? I've never use one, so I'm don't know how they compare with a fuzz+green ringer combo (which is the thing a tried in the past).

It's a subject that I think every now and then.

Cheers.

[radio]

https://www.madbeanpedals.com/projects/_folders/VFE/pdf/VFE_TheTriplet.pdf

Thats my personal favorit containing a green ringer. Some values are slightly different

That makes it sound less "ringer" but a tad more metallic,if that makes sense.

The first part is an armstrong orange squeezer,so the signal can be compressed before

it enters the green ringer. On its exit it has generic distortion. However the controls

are interactiv,so I ll try to build a simpler version that does bypasses instead of blends

See in this example,you cant have it all. Either octave is at 0 or maximum,so even if

the circuit is highly versatile,a bigger version with 3 footswitches would be more interesting

(at least for me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPBRdKTSec0

[Mark Hammer]

Most analog octave-up units will benefit from having a sustained, and nicely lowpass-filtered, input signal.  Many fuzzes can do that, but so can simply upping the gain on the octave unit.  I do that by making the first transistor stage on a Green Ringer variable.

Stick a 10k pot and 10uf cap in series, and put them in parallel with the 6k2 emitter resistor on Q1.  Reducing the resistance to that 10uf cap will increase the gain of stage 1 beyond the stock value, yielding a more pronounced octave.  I suppose a small-value cap between the collector and base of Q1 can help to provide some of the lowpass filtering that removes harmonic hash, but I couldn't tell you what that value ought to be.

[nonost]

Ey Mark! That mod sounds really good. I was thinking about making a booster (SHO, LPB1, or whatever) to make the octave more a standalone pedal, without the need of a fuzz. So that makes things easier. I will try that!

The idea of a compressor that Radio talk about makes sense for those looking for a clean octave up signal. Cool build!

Thanks guys!

[radio]

That Van Rutter idea is kind of clever like all his modded designs.

He sells them as about $4 a project,but at the madbean site ,you can find

several of his pedal collection for free