Please help with EVH 5150

Started by whomeno, July 29, 2023, 03:15:33 PM

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whomeno

ok built the EVH 5150. as soon as I switch it on I get a squeal. When I probe it at input it  is fine to IC1 pin3. At IC1 pin 1 the noise starts.. I checked the board for shorts nothing found. I checked the position of all parts, they all look too be in the right place.
Voltages 9.04 input
IC1 TL062
1- 4.35  2- 4.33  3-4.29   4-0    5-3.32   6-4.32   7-4.31   8- 8.80
IC2 TL062
1-4.33   2-4.33   3-4.27   4-0   5-4.29   6-4.33   7-4.38   8-8.80
IC3 TL062
1-4.35   2-4.33   3-4.33   4-0   5-4.23   6-4.33   7-4.33   8-8.80
IC4 TL061
1-.04   2-4.33   3-3.37   4-0   5-.048   6-4.33   7-8.80   8-0
Q1 2SK117
D-8.80   G-3.94   S-4.74
Q2  2SK117
D-8.80   G-3.97   S-4.78
Q3 BC557B
C-3.95   B-5.07   E-4.33
Here is the build, pics and schematic















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antonis

Place a 4.7nF across 8k2 feedback resistor..
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whomeno

ok will try it and let you know
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Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

I'm sorry posted the wrong layout. I put the right one up.
I added a 4.7nf to the 7.5K resistor. did not help.
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

GibsonGM

Can you elaborate on the squeal?  Does it change when you turn pots up and down? Can you hear ANY guitar at the output through the squeal? 

Are you powering it from a battery or power supply wall wart?

Are the resistor in the feedback loop of IC1 all the correct value?
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whomeno

Yes it changes when i turn the pots up and down.
yes the guitar signal is coming through
I tried both power supply and battery still have the squeal.
yes feed back loop is the correct values
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

I found it. It was the 5.6nf to the right of IC2. it was off 1 hole. working fine now thanks for the help
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

the squeal is gone but when I engage the pedal it is lower volume then the bypass. what would cause that?
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

I'm probing it. good signal coming out of IC1 pin 7 going to the 220nf loose a lot of signal going through the 220nf heading to gain 3
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

ok here is what I got.
I have to max out the volume and gain to get the same volume as the bypass volume.
Is there a way to up the volume more?
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

ElectricDruid

#10
Quote from: whomeno on July 29, 2023, 06:04:24 PM
ok here is what I got.
I have to max out the volume and gain to get the same volume as the bypass volume.
Is there a way to up the volume more?
That's not the solution. You need to fix the new problem. Tell us some more about this 220n.


whomeno

there was a bad solder joint which is fixed I got good signal completely through now. I only have the volume drop now
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

ElectricDruid

Quote from: whomeno on July 29, 2023, 07:33:40 PM
there was a bad solder joint which is fixed I got good signal completely through now. I only have the volume drop now
If you've still got the volume drop, you haven't got a good signal *all* the way through. Where does it go quiet now?

whomeno

Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

#14
if i bypass the 360K to switch 2 it works great
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

whomeno

I took the 360K out and jumped the cut there. now it is working perfect.
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals

idy

There is no 360k in the schematic. I see it on the layout. They don't agree, do they? Good work.

duck_arse

Quote from: idy on July 29, 2023, 10:41:24 PM
There is no 360k in the schematic. I see it on the layout. They don't agree, do they? Good work.

there is also a 6k2 shown on the layout doesn't match the circuit dia. and if I might ask, what value cap have you fitted across that resistor, at 17 E&F? it doesn't match the other nearby should-be-same-value, which always piques my interest.

also a 7k5 around IC1 doesn't match - I stopped looking after that.
I feel sick.

whomeno

Quote from: duck_arse on July 30, 2023, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: idy on July 29, 2023, 10:41:24 PM
There is no 360k in the schematic. I see it on the layout. They don't agree, do they? Good work.

there is also a 6k2 shown on the layout doesn't match the circuit dia. and if I might ask, what value cap have you fitted across that resistor, at 17 E&F? it doesn't match the other nearby should-be-same-value, which always piques my interest.

also a 7k5 around IC1 doesn't match - I stopped looking after that.


at 17 E&F..... 5.6nf
Gear as of now
Gibson 2017 Les Paul Tribute T
Epiphone Les paul Special (upgraded)
Marshall DSL 20 Head
Peavy Valve king 20 W
2 X 12 Cabinet with celestion vintage 30 & celestion G12T-75
And a lot of pedals