silly grounding question

Started by ethrbunny, March 07, 2005, 09:26:43 PM

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ethrbunny

So its working out that everything in my FX - power, boxes, etc is all using the same ground. Is this a problem? Should I be doing something to isolate the various pieces somehow? Its also the same ground coming from the wall wart (that gets split to the various devices).
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niftydog

QuoteIs this a problem?

potentially.

The problem isn't that they all share the same ground; that part is good. The problem is that you often have TWO ground connections to ONE device; that part is bad.

Solution; search this forum for "ground loops" and other such things. Look up The Spyder power supply and read RGs fantastic technical explanations that are associated with the Spyer project.
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ethrbunny

Nothing Ive built so far is too complicated. How would I get two different grounds in the same device? (perhaps by accident or mis-soldering?)
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niftydog

no, what you might have happen is this;

one ground via the DC power jack and wall wart.

another ground via the guitar signal cable and the amplifier.

The Spyder overcomes this by having floating power supply taps (ie; not referenced to ground - thanks to a transformer)
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ethrbunny

Ive tied all my grounds together inside the power distribution box and the FX.
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niftydog

sorry, I wasn't very clear with that last post, what I meant was this;

Quoteone ground via the DC power jack and wall wart.

another ground via the guitar signal cable and the amplifier.

...both in the one device. In other words, two grounds per device is a potential ground loop issue.

There's heaps out there about ground loops that you could look up, but wait until you're actually experiencing a problem. It may be that your equipment will work as is and ground loops might not be a problem at all.
niftydog
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hadn't even created yet, and He was not so pleased.” God (aka Tony Levin)

ethrbunny

Ok. I guess Im good then - the grounds from my power and instrument jacks are all tied together.
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