Condor cab sim and post effects

[bioroids]

hi!

I built the Condor cab sim at ROG, great sound and simple circuit. I did the Marshal mods, and omited the output volume pot.
I'm integrating it on a box with other two pedals (Fuzz and Orange Squeezer), providing an extra output to feed a PA directly (so I don't have to use the amp if I don't feel like carrying that weight).

The question is, what do you think about hooking extra effects AFTER the cab sim (like chorus or delay, no distortions). In that case the direct out would be taken from the last pedal, say a Boss delay, instead of the taking it from the cab sim out.

I think there should be no big issues, but I don't know if the effects could drive the PA input with no side effects (like dropping lows).

Pictures of this meesy artifact will come soon (I hope)!

Regards

Miguel

[Meanderthal]

  I'd put the cab sim at the end of the chain, because the other effects(especially the fuzz) will add harmonics and coloration that a real speaker cab would be attenuating(fizz, etc). Treat the cab sim like a cab- last in line, and the DI is your 'mic'.

That's provided you're actually trying to imitate a mic'ed cab of course... if ya just want to create unique sounds, your imagination is the only limit.

[bioroids]

Hi Meanderthal!

Yes the fuzz and other distortions will go before the Condor. I'm wondering about other effects like chorus, tremolo or delay, that don't add harmonics.

Luck

Miguel

[Meanderthal]

 Hmmm... well in a lotta cases the studio processing ya hear in recordings is very much 'after' the cab... chorus and flange(especially tape flange) anyway, but reverb and especially tremolo are often from the amp... 'darker' sounding, maybe delay would also sound a bit smoother pre rather than post cab...
I guess it all comes down to what kinda sound ya want... 'modern' or 'old school'... personally I lean towards old school, but that's just taste... hell, for that matter, some classic sounds on recordings are the result of deliberately running direct(strange brew, revolution, etc.), so that just muddies the waters a bit more, don't it? 
Options... Choices... so many ways to do it... 

[bioroids]

Yes I decided to put an extra input to this box, so I can enter independently to the cab sim. If I don't plug anything to this input, it is normalized to the fuzz output. This way I can run it both ways, depending on where I plug, and the normalization allows me to run it the standard way without needing extra patch cables.

Thanks for your help!

Miguel

[Meanderthal]

 An insert. Good idea! 

[d95err]

I'd put the time-based effecs after the Condor. The difference in sound would be probably negligible, and it would be a lot simpler. However, if you want a real balanced DI output to plug into the PA, it would have to come at the end of the chain of course.

The easiest solution there would probably be to get a cheap DI box for that. Perhaps the Behringer GI-100 with speaker sim built in, but HEY - that would sort of defeat the whole DIY idea... dang! 

[bioroids]

I'm assuming the DI box will be provided by the sound guy, not me 

Anyway, with the insert I can do both ways. I've managed to get the extra input inside the box (you don't want to see the wiring...)

Regards

Miguel