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Big Muff repair

Started by cixot, July 04, 2006, 07:10:20 PM

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cixot

Hey
I'm trying to repair a Big Muff (the Op-Amp version) and just ran into some trouble. While debugging it with a multimeter, I found what looked like a damaged resistor right where the problem seemed to be. So I figured I'd just desolder it and measure the Ohms. Doh! As I was gently pulling it out of it's hole, it actually broke in two! Makes measuring a real hassle, and the colour codes were scraped off as well (it was like that before I started desoldering it though).
The resistor was placed between the black wire in the 9V DC jack and the +9V in the circuit. The schematic below is my best find so far, and I can't find that resistor there.  Maybe I've gone suddenly blind or something, I dunno :P
Anyhow, what I'd like to know is of course what the value of that resistor should be, and also what's it doing there?

(EDIT)
Forgot this...

http://www.geocities.com/j4_student/bigmuffopamp.gif

Ge_Whiz

It sounds more like a protection diode that sacrificed it's life trying to protect the circuit from a power supply of the wrong polarity. A silicon diode of the 1N4001, 2, 3... series should do, wired cathode (stripe) to +9V. Take it right out, and see if the circuit works without it. If not, it died in vain...

petemoore

#2
  DIY...is fixing a pedal...if you're Doing IY.
  Before powering up a circuit, -the protection diode, a test for NON continuity between V+ and ground is a good idea.
 
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

cixot

#3
Ge_Whiz:
The thing is, it doesn't look like a diode whatsoever. It looks like any other regular resistor; a yellow/brownish base colour, slightly thicker near the edges than in the middle, and it does look like there were stripes on it once upon a time.
Also, if it was a diode, then I should be able to just stick a wire there instead, as long as I don't flip the polarity. What happened then was that the battery started to drain pretty fast (maybe a loss of 0.1V a second). That did not happen before it broke off  :-\

To give you a better idea of what I meant with my previous description of this components placement, I took a photo and added some comments to it..

The 220uF electrolytic is placed in the far left of the schematic previously posted...

If you're wondering what those black blotches are, I think it's burnt soldering flux, or whatever that orange stuff is around the potentiometer pins. Someone on another forum suggested it might be old soldering flux, and when I resoldered a few wires, it got burnt. Looks ugly but it doesn't seem to cause any trouble.

Dan N

The last schematic has that resistor as an unknown value.

http://www.singlecoil.com/docs/vintage_muff.pdf

The note mentions to try a 47E. I don't know what E means. 47ohm? 4.7 ohms? Anyway, just something very small.

cixot

Ahh, cool. Thanks! :)

I think 47E means 47 Ohm. The resistor code RA47E0 refers to 47E in this page: http://www.web-tronics.com/irremcondimk.html
And in this page it refers to just 47 Ohm: http://www.web-tronics.com/irremcondimk.html

cixot

After much procrastination, I finally got around to actually trying to fix this. I replaced the missing resistor, which seems to have been a 47Ohm, with a 100Ohm (all I had then). So now I'm at least getting sound from the pedal. However, there are still some issues:
1) The box has a on-off switch for the tone control. It sounds OK when it's off, but when I turn it on, I can only get very trebly sound. If I turn the knob for a more bassy sound, the volume is gradually lowered. Obviously, the pedal can't deliver any bass in this mode.
2) Like I said, I get decent sound in the off mode. But it sounds very much like an old muddy amp. Maybe it's supposed to sound like that; I don't know because I always used the Tone control for a sharper, less muddy sound.
3) The sound also sounds kind of... crappy. It's crackly and noisy, especially when I turn up the Sustain. Could this be worn-out OP-amps? Or the fact that I inserted a (probably) higher value resistor on the voltage supply?

I'm grateful for any ideas on how to solve this.  :-\

sfr

Two 100 Ohm resistors in parallel should give you 50 Ohm.  That should at least get you closer to the 47ohm.
sent from my orbital space station.

petemoore

  R17, looks like a 47 ohm, and also looks like it's used to help filter PS noise, placed between V+ and the Supply +.
  100ohm is a common value, 47 ohm may do all the noise cancelling of a 100ohm, and the circuit should otherwise 'work' with this part removed/jumpered..as maybe it just helps remove a little bit of ripple from the PS.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.