B3 organ sound

[Meanderthal]

 Hmmmm.... I just looked up his organ... he had said it was a b100, but from looking at pics it turns out his is very much a b-2. Well, no wonder it sounds like a b-3.

Uhhh... nevermind.

[QSQCaito]

EH POG:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsjIJ_BIsbI

Put 1:25 of the video, he specifically says "the coolest effect you can give the POG is an organ sound"


Hope it's useful

Bye!

[KMS]

Thanks for the advice.  I think I want to take stab at building one.  I might try a miniature version first with real small speakers and a rotating drum and horns. (small cheap speakers sound great if you don't drive them hard) Mount that miniature "Leslie clone" 6"x6"x12" box inside an insulated small 14"x14"x20" box (serving as a miniature insulted room) and then put a couple switchable mics in the insulated box.  I could maybe do this using all light weight materials and small dc motors and get some small light weight pulleys out of some of my old  cassette decks etc.  It wouldn't cost much to try that out and I have most of what I need now to do that....except the time it will take to make it come to life.  It would be hard to make the miniature light weight setup durable, however. Drop it and it would be crashed.....but that would be true for most any rotating mechanical device.  I'll take a look around my junk and see what I got.

[scaesic]

Thanks for all the input....more than I thought I would get. You guys are great over here.

I have been busy but I got caught up on all the replies.

I am looking into this for both guitar and organ.

We are upgrading our equipment right now as we have some money to start doing things like this (partly why I have been busy and not keeping up on my stompox abc's).

New Peavey XR696F and a new Yamaha EMX 5000 (I'm not sure about the EMX...maybe EMC).

What the heck is 48V Phantom Power anyway....I've been spinning my wheels trying to get logged on over at Peavey.com to ask such questions and can not get logged on.

The sound (or stompbox combination) that I am looking for has harmonics, a modulating pitch, tremolo....and beyond that I'm not sure...Like the sound of the organ for Santana's "Black Magic Woman".

I don't know if that particular song uses a B3 but I have been told that.  I'm hoping to either buy an device that will make that sound or make one diy.

Thanks in advance for anything further that y'all can tell me.

i' not sure if you're being entirely serious.

ayway phantom power is just a dc offset that feeds an active microphone to power it. some mics use batteries, some are fed it from the mixer (where you can turn it on/off for each mic if your mixer has it).

also, a leslie effect and a "b3" effect are entirely different.

leslie effect is essentially a tremolo 90 degrees out of phase with a vibrato, which is what most sims do. A more analytical approach is to simulate all the reflections using delays, which needs dsp, not to mention diffusing the sound to several speakers.

a b3 effect is effectively just additive synthesis in the right measures. the pog does this, its the only pedal i have seen to do it.

[puretube]

the scanner vibrato is the holy grail of the "hammond-sound", IMHO, to repeat myself...

[Doug_H]

What's a scanner vibrato?

[puretube]

this is the one...

[Doug_H]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/henry01/hammondicon/ham01_text.htm

http://jhaible.heim.at/scanner_vibrato/jh_scanner_vibrato.html

Interesting sound clips on both of these pages.

[snoof]

couple things to add...

good read
http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/mystery/mystery.html

some leslie sims; voce spin, H&K rotoshpere, Motion Sound products, Korg G4 rotary pedal.  I've used or owned all these, but I know own two real Leslies, nothing beats the real thing!!  You can run a gtr through a real Leslie w/ a TrekII pedal (actually amything 1/4"), not cheap, but will drive ANY leslie.  As stated above re: Danny Gatton, you can get a pretty descent organ-like sounds from a gtr running through a leslie sim on the fast setting playing chords "claw style", ie all notes at once, not strummed.  The 44W is a sleeper leslie, got mine for $300 here locally, it's a fast-off, model, but can be converted to fast-slow easily.

[Doug_H]

As stated above re: Danny Gatton, you can get a pretty descent organ-like sounds from a gtr running through a leslie sim on the fast setting playing chords "claw style", ie all notes at once, not strummed. 

Actually, if you want to really mimic organ sounds, you do have to adjust your guitar technique somewhat. Jazz players who can do the bass-chord technique between the thumb and fingers can really nail it.

[joegagan]

snoof, you are exactly right about the hand attack for guitar trying to sound like organ

It is very much in the hands, plucking all strings at once, choosing nice three note voicings, palm muting and fretting hand muting are all essential elements that can replicate the attack and release of different Hammond presets.

I have caused people to look around the stage for the "organ player" at blues jams by using these techinques. it creates a great contrast to the usual stuff guitar players do at jams

I read an Albert Collins interview where he said he created a lot of his uniqie style in the 60s when he could no longer afford to pay the organ player he had used. he missed the sound so he created ways to get that percussive sound himself. makes sense if you listen to him. in addition to the techniques I described above, he did a trilling thing that even sort of sounded like a leslie, all in his fingers!

[Mark Hammer]

Hmmm.  There seems to be two threads here, each responding to a different assumption about what was asked.

One thread assumes KMS was looking for a drawbar organ sound.  There, the HOG and POG are excellent suggestions.  The HOG seems like more fun than the POG, but the POG ain't too shabby either, and is quite a bit cheaper.  Alternatively, consider sticking a GK or other divided pickup on your guitar and drive a MIDI tone generator of some sort.

The other thread assumed that KMS was really referring to swirly rotating-speaker tones when he said B3.  I've got a Vibratone (always thought it was a little Leslie but I know the difference and know better now.  Its a classic "cheese wheel" Vibratone.) and a Roto-Machine, and for my money the Roto Machine does an extremely credible job nailing that tone, especially in stereo.

Of course, when some people think "organ" they think slow speed, where others seem to think fast speed.  Some phasers and flangers are reasonably capable of mimicking the fast speed though they don't always capture the details of the slower speed, and very few are equipped to ramp speed up and down or to distribute the sound across the sound field.

[snoof]

it seems as if he's asking for recommendations about both an organ-ish sound for gtr, and a leslie sim, re: the statement about the swirly Greg Rollie tone on Black Mag Woman.  I forgot about another really good leslie sim.  The native Instruments B4 has a GREAT leslie sim on it that can be used as an effect by itself.  Bear in mind that this is a VST instrument to be used with Nuendo or the like.  They do also make a standalone DirectX version too i believe, but for some reason I think for the leslie effect, you need the VST version.