Duende Problems!!!

Started by Barcode80, December 11, 2006, 10:20:14 PM

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Barcode80

Okay, I just perfed up the Duende booster perf layout in Dragonfly's gallery. First, there is a mistake in the perf layout, as the trace from the trimpot to the drain of Q1 is missing. i had to check the pcb layout to see it.

so i trimmed the voltage on the drain to 4.5 volts. when i engage the effect, i get barely any signal. i mean BARELY any signal. i checked for solder bridges, and i'm certain there are none.

S and G both show 0 volts, so maybe there is a prob with the jfet? the D is biased to 4.49 volts

petemoore

S and G both show 0 volts, so maybe there is a prob with the jfet? the D is biased to 4.49 volts
  Maybe...did you use a socket?...have another?
  I would suspect the resistor network throwing the bias off, and would check for ground continuity at the S/G pins [because they're measuring 0v which is the ground reference voltage], if continuity exists, it is probably a solder bridge or other trace somewhere, making a misconnection to ground.
  The source needs to be above the gate for a Jfet to bias.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

Barcode80

but according to the layout, source IS tied to ground.

http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album32/DUENDE_JFET_BOOSTER_PCB

here is the layout i'm using. the source of the fet goes straight to ground.

petemoore

http://www.geocities.com/tpe123/folkurban/fuzz/snippets.html
  Yes...it is !
  ok..do you have the 1meg pot [on the gate] turned toward the middle, if it's all the way one way of course the gate'd be grounded.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

Barcode80

turned all the way down, i get nothing, turned all the way up, i get the muffled faint signal. i used a 500k, so i am betting that might be the problem...

burnt fingers

Double check the pinout of your jfet. It may not neccesarily be the same as the layout shows. 

Scott
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Barcode80

i'll socket it tomorrow, as i hard wired this one. though i did heat sink it so i don't think i fried it. i will try that tomorrow and post results. so far i'm on 5 unsuccessful builds in 2 days, i'm bout to pack it in and give up boxes all together.

burnt fingers

Don't pack it up. Just walk away for awhile.  5 builds in two days seems like rushing it.

I usually take a few hours to populate a board,do offboard wiring  and another hour or so to stuff the box. 
Taking it slow will increase your chances of success. 

BTW.  When I was first getting into this, I tried to breadboard the Duende and was super pissed that it didn't work.  I told my wife that if I'm so lame I can't get a small booster to work, I have no business doing this.  I figured out some time later that the pinout on my jfet was different than I thought.

Scott
Rock and Roll does not take a vacation!!

www.rockguitarlife.com
My Music

Dragonfly

just sit back, collect your thoughts, and go through it logically...its almost always something small and stupid.

i had reposted the corrected pcb...forgot to change the perf (drain trace error)...i'll get that changed...everything else should be good though

AC

MartyMart

Barcode, dont give up mate ... circuits are totally unforgiving of even the smallest
mistake !  .... "Mother nature" as RG put's it ... is always trying to tell you something...

After many hundreds of builds, i STILL do the following things - EVEN on a simple
circuit :

Look up the pinout data sheet for the devices that I'm using ( even if I know it - I check it ! )
Check the resistor value with a DMM ( 4k7 looks VERY much like a 470k ! )
Carefully check the capacitor markings for the correct value ( is it 102 or 103 ! )
Keep soldering station clean and the "tip" tinned and hot !
Check with a mag glass for "solder bridges" ( have found some that are as thin as a hair ! this will still conduct )

MOST IMPORTANT <<< TAKE YOUR TIME AND DONT GET ANGRY >>>
This path just leads to frustration and failure :D

Come back a day or two later, print off a schem and go through it with a "highlighter" pen
Check off  every " connection node " with the pen and your circuit.

I've even had a "DUH!!" moment or two, wondering why the circuit doesn't work and looking
at an empty 8 pin DIL socket  !!  :D

Marty.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm"
My Website www.martinlister.com

petemoore

  Count the # of connections at each node, make sure board population follows schematic.
  Measure each resistor just prior to installing it.
  Jfets...GSD, DSG, SGD, ETC...lots of choices = lots of chances for mispinout.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

Barcode80

yeah, i think my first step when i get home is going to be to socket that tranny and replace it minding the pinout. we shall see....