Wah output buffer

[Fuzzy-Train]

Any idea what year that pic was taken... kind of looks like a Band of Gypsys pic.

[tcobretti]

It's the cover from Band of Gypsies, just zoomed out a bit.

[Stratomaster]

Remember, the fuzz face input and output are reversed   So automatically, I don't trust that picture.  I would like to see the unaltered version (non traced cable) to see how exactly that all plays out.

[tcobretti]

Yeah, that was discussed as well.  Someone reasoned that it makes sense to reverse them because they are backwards from the factory and so go against the flow of the pedals.

Also, if the FF is wired normally, wouldn't all the others have to be backwards?  But they can't be backwards because we can see that the guitar is plugged into the correct side of the wah.  And even in that picture you can clearly see the wire run from the out of the wah into the Octavio.

[enigmur]

I tried the buffer suggested today

It worked, it made the wah do it's thang with my Fuzz Face.

Problem: It totally raped my wah's sound, I have this thing sounding perfectly smooth and it added this big dip in the freq change between low and mid - it actually made it sound standard again.

Are there any changes I should make to counter any side effects of the buffer?

If I have to choose between my dream wah tone, and a wah which works with my FF, I'll do without the buffer. It's all made now and is easily connected, so if anyone can suggest some mods to make it's presence more transparent I'll give it a go

[tcobretti]

The only tip I can offer is that I replaced the bass and mid resistors in the wah with trimpots (I think I used 1k and 5k respectively).  This allows you to tune the circuit to ear, and to tune the values to match your particular inductor.

[blanik]

if he could (RM) put an input buffer on the wah, he could have put one on the fuzz... an "unbuffered" signal coming from the wah and going into a buffered input fuzz would do the same wouldn't it?

R.

[tcobretti]

Not a bad idea; that way the fuzz is wah friendly, but the wah can retain its un-buffered tone when the fuzz isn't in use.

[enigmur]

Genius!

Am I right in thinking I should place it like this?

Jack Input - 3PDT - Buffer in, buffer out - Circuit input.

Sounds simple as pie, I'll give it a go! I think I'll be able to make it more transparent to the fuzz pretty easy.

[tcobretti]

That's the way I'd wire it.

Good luck.

[enigmur]

Ignore this...

[Fret Wire]

if he could (RM) put an input buffer on the wah, he could have put one on the fuzz... an "unbuffered" signal coming from the wah and going into a buffered input fuzz would do the same wouldn't it?
R.

We've kicked around that possibility before of RM using a buffered input on Fuzz, and the consensus is that he may have, but with an input buffer on the fuzz, it will not "see" the pickups directly when used alone, and won't clean up with the guitar volume very well anymore. For best fuzz sound, a fuzz (like the Rangemaster) should always see the guitar's pu's directly.

With a wah and a fuzz, you'll have 3 combinations: wah straight, fuzz straight, and wah & fuzz both on. Plus, guitar volume clean up on any of the above three combo's. So when you put a buffer between the fuzz and the wah, at least one sound will end up being compromised. And whether the buffer is an output on the wah, or an input on the fuzz, will also dictate what gets compromised.

Frustrating, eh? 

[enigmur]

Frustrating, eh? 

Yes!

Even with the buffer on the wah, it wasnt much of a deep wah through the effect. Ill try it on the FF, I'm sure it will be the same story.
I may have to try a different circuit for the buffer, the one on fuzzcentral for the axis wah is more simple, i wonder if would be any more transparent because of that.