Good fuzz for stoner rock

Started by fuzzo, June 19, 2008, 06:00:15 AM

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nelson

Quote from: Gus on June 20, 2008, 03:44:57 PM
What is R4 for? 

I guess it is superfluous no need for two VFL. I just drew up what I had on the breadboard at the time.
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nelson

Quote from: col on June 22, 2008, 05:52:43 AM
I built this yesterday, nice and easy with BC109Cs (both hfe approx 550) Sounds great unless gain is on full when it loses stability, just backed off slightly it has a great tone. I could do with just a bit more sustain but this is a great sounding circuit,

Col

Mess with the bias of Q2 for more sustain, I currently have a 100KA pot feeding a 22K resistor to the collector of Q2 for a "gate" control. I don't get any instability and mine is on the breadboard. I am using a MPQ2484 for the transistors. I am using something similar to this to feed an octaver. I haven't really settled on a final "octave engine" yet.
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fuzzo

#22
QuoteI don't like the muff because it's scooped, you can boost the mids on the amp and compensate that a bit and it could work that way

yes, it's the famous probleme of the big muff, Even when I played alone  I didn't hear what I was playing, so I modded my big muff to have more mids, and now the sound look like a smooth and agressive fuzz face, with more mids and sustain without this kind of roughness and lumpes in the sound.I installed a switch to have the 2 modes.

I finished my SHO booster yesterday and when it's in front of the big muff, it' results a  good sound  with a  very long longgggg sustain.

I've also a 400Hz boost after my guitar (before all effects)  to give more punch and power to my guitar.

But the sound of the big muff is very particular,it's true it's the big muff's sound, you love or you hate.

Quotenyways the amp is the key for this type of music, I used an Orange 50w clone and now I'm using a diy Hiwatt Custom 100, and with these kinds of amps, it's virtually impossible to fail to get a good tone., stoner or no stoner!

Sure, but I don't play with a band and so I need a little amp with a great sound (faty and rough (i like the kind of sound)), hard to find something like that in my country. It miss always something on those amps (EQ, 2nd channel, fx loop)

I took information of Nelson's Citrus (orange) amp simulator, It seems to be a great preamp :) I've idea to create a jfet amp (with 12 or 24VOLT to have more dynamic) with an amp simulator

I've made a stripboard layout of the jordan bosstone, Maybe i'll do this  one, a lot of people like it here.




superferrite

I'd try the Big Muff first, but they're very One Sound Only.  Works for a lot of folks and they're not too pricey.
I've ditched my muff recently, and moved to a Bad Monkey/Fuzz Face setup and it is sludgy as all hell.

The amp seems to be the key to Stoner Rock.  You have to push air and retain good low end.  Powertube distortion rather than chunked-out preamp squish. ETC
Kyuss and QOTSA are famous for using Ampeg SVT bass stacks for guitars. 
I'm using a seventies Bassman 10 and it is decent if not a rumbling as an ampeg.

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paperhouse

Quote from: ambulancevoice on June 23, 2008, 07:17:56 AM
i think Josh Homme used a big muff in Kyuss


nope, it's all cranked ampegs. it looks like he's got a tube works preamp too:



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didnt josh homme use bass amps on some of the qotsa recordings?
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fuzzo

he used a bass amp in Kyuss, but in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live) for amplify his guitars with C tunning.

Rocket Roll

Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 08:19:21 AM
...in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live)...

...and an old (Japanese) Boss DS-1.

I'd recommend you look into Roger Mayer designs - Mongoose (a distant cousin of the ProCo Rat) and Stone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively).
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fuzzo

#30
QuoteStone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively

Are you sure about that ? made exclusively for the "stoner rock" ? 'cause it is a fuzz face with little mods.

roger mayer's stone fuzz

petemoore

#31
  There's no end all fuzz that works exactly like 'this' when played through anything, or whatever.
  When 2 says 1 is the end all to 4, at 9, when 5 is at a 6 setting, on amp #2, through cab 8, guitar 3, volume 9.
  You can be absolutely certain the information your amplifier provides will be much easier to understand.
  Your ability to take hints from the information your amplifier provides will determine how good you are at wringing tone out of your amplifer with your guitar, in your setting.
  Room size and relative 'waveform-zone-amplitudes' can make a huge difference on how anything that sounds good sounds.
  ie where you set the amp and how loud is it already, right in front of the amp.
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Branimir

I have bass and mids on my amp crancked all the the way, treble is at half, i'm using an Axis Face and a C tuned goldtop with P90's - dear diary, is there something wrong with my eq? I have never seen anyone else using this kind of mid extreme to sound that heavy! ;)

Axis Face fuzz at max, volume at 12' o clock, the amp is set to be clean but very loud, when the fuzz kicks in, the preamp gets boosted and the powertubes start to distort since the amp is already at insane volume levels...

Heh.
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fuzzo

I use a boss GE7 to boost the 400hz and give more powerfull and vittaly to my sound. I don't touch the EQ on my amp. I would put another EQ in fx loop to really have a total control of my sound.

Rocket Roll

#34
Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 09:33:15 AM
Are you sure about that ? made exclusively for the "stoner rock" ? 'cause it is a fuzz face with little mods.

Sorry, "exclusively" is maybe too strong a word.  :icon_biggrin: But yeah, it was developed with a stoner-rocker in mind:
http://guitargeek.com/reviews/stonefuzz.php

Mongoose is also a great, great choice, if you like the sound - I do - it's a bit "edgier" then "classic" fuzzes, as it's essentially designed a lot like a Rat, it uses the same LM308 chip... but it's not a Rat, it's fuzzier and "wider" and gives much more of that "ocean of sound".
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fuzzo

#35
ho I  saw the superfuzz video of proguitarshop.com, it's so great :o ( but I didn't hear if it works with powercords, it's ok or not? ). I read this pedal is based on Jordan bosstone + 2 controls.

I think i'll do a jordan bosstone;D with switch to select input caps   (beside, it's very easy to make the stripboard ;D)

perhaps, someone has the superfuzz's schematic to see the modification made by voodoo lab ?

Branimir

About axis face/fuzz face type of pedals, there is mod you can try...

Lower the input cap, say 220nF is a good value, but use a bigger electrolytic cap next to the fuzz control, it's usually 20uF (stock ff) and 15uF (axis face si), I've put 100uF, haven't tried it with a big amp yet, but with the small one in my bedroom, the whole fuzz sounds a bit meatier...

If I'm not mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong), this way you are limiting the amount of lows in the input of the circuit, that way preventing the first stage to get "farty", and with the high value of the electrolytic cap connected to the fuzz control, you are increasing the bass output of the circuit.

You take away the bass before distorting the singal, and adding it afterwards...
Umor

Built: Fuzz Face, Small Stone, Trem Lune, Fet Muff, Big Muff (green), Fuxx Face, Son of Screamer, Rat, Rebote 2.5, Opamp Big Muff, EA Tremolo, Easyvibe, Axis Face Si

paperhouse

Quote from: Rocket Roll on June 25, 2008, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: fuzzo on June 25, 2008, 08:19:21 AM
...in Queens of the stone age he uses a ampeg vt 22 combo (or a head for some live)...

...and an old (Japanese) Boss DS-1.

I'd recommend you look into Roger Mayer designs - Mongoose (a distant cousin of the ProCo Rat) and Stone Fuzz (developed for stoner rock sound exclusively).

are you sure about that? i thought he uses an SD-1.

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ambulancevoice

Quote from: paperhouse on June 24, 2008, 12:30:52 AM

nope, it's all cranked ampegs. it looks like he's got a tube works preamp too:


really??? hmmm, well, they must have meant that they could get his tone from a big muff
so he got this sound from a cranked ampeg bass amp???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6IzdPbf8W8
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