more bass - clean sound

Started by Ecc83, May 17, 2011, 04:17:34 AM

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Ecc83

My amp is missing some bass, when I play on stombox overdrive i always turn up the bass, but what about the clean sound? The bass is missing in here as well.
I want to add bass on a clean channel without increasing volume or any other parameters - only bass control on one potentiometer in a small stompbox.
Maybe you have a simple draft/scheme or an idea so that I could build something simple with bass control?

please help :)

geertjacobs

Which amp? Head + speaker cabinet (which cabinet) or combo?
Bass or guitar?

Ecc83

I need simple stompbox - something like a mini EQ (only one knob: Bass)
any ideas?

FiveseveN

Are you sure your cab can actually reproduce those frequencies?
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darron

You'll need tell the kind folks at home what amp and cabinet your using.


if you can get it with a diatortion pedal then that answers FiveseveN's question


Guitar amps aren't meant to sound like a hifi stereo. full bass response muffles a live full volume mix. If you are playing with others they can hate you for it :)
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Ecc83

the amp is jcm900  Cort (seyomur duncan SH4)
every normal guitarist will say "its ok, does not need more" but I love fat bass and still missing it

please focus on stombox or simple EQ, something that could increase bass on clean channel without modyfy amp
I would like to build something, maybe baxandall EQ ? 

Bill Mountain

Do you like the sound when you turn your highs down on your head?

superferrite

EH Hog's foot is easy and might fit the bill.   It doesn't seem to boost the signal so much as decrease the highs and attenuate the lows.

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/DRAGONFLY-LAYOUTS_0/album14/album143/EH_HOGS_FOOT.jpg.html
Here's a vero layout I've used before with some success.
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Brossman

Without knowing details of how you PLAY your setup, I'd say go with something like... Aron Nelson's Clean Boost (the beginner project here on the site :D ), but try subbing out different input caps to get the desired frequency response.

May I also suggest a compressor to tame high end and bring out mids? it'd give you punchy attack...maybe that's the "bassy" sound you like...?

I'd try the Orange Squeezer...
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darron

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Quote from: superferrite on May 17, 2011, 11:27:33 AM
EH Hog's foot is easy and might fit the bill.   It doesn't seem to boost the signal so much as decrease the highs and attenuate the lows.

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/DRAGONFLY-LAYOUTS_0/album14/album143/EH_HOGS_FOOT.jpg.html
Here's a vero layout I've used before with some success.


attenuating the lows is the exact opposite of what he wants...


Quote from: Brossman on May 17, 2011, 02:01:48 PM
Without knowing details of how you PLAY your setup, I'd say go with something like... Aron Nelson's Clean Boost (the beginner project here on the site :D ), but try subbing out different input caps to get the desired frequency response.

May I also suggest a compressor to tame high end and bring out mids? it'd give you punchy attack...maybe that's the "bassy" sound you like...?

I'd try the Orange Squeezer...

different input caps will just control how much bass is cut out, not added. as a booster not taking bass will make it sound bassier when you're driving something but with higher gain, not unity for clean like he wants....



maybe just a passive bass boost circuit with a gain recovery? maybe a buffer too...



this circuit worked REALLY well for me!! play with the values a bit... you'll loose a lot of volume of course:


http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2009/04/dynamic_bass_boost/ i'd recommend you just try this passive first to see if the 'sound' is right...


there are lots of tone controls to make. if you want a baxendall go for it... also there's a bass boost filter here (ignore the tube stage):

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Amp-Tone.html


you'd need to find ALL the values though for where it's going...
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liquids

Active Baxandall is something you may quite enjoy.  I do.

http://sound.westhost.com/dwopa2.htm#baxandall

It's possible to ignore the treble part and/or make the controls EQ 'boost' only.

I drew up a sketch of the basic way I've done it, but you'll benefit by experiment or simulating different component values to achieve the desired effect.

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wavley

Quote from: liquids on May 18, 2011, 01:30:34 PM
Active Baxandall is something you may quite enjoy.  I do.

http://sound.westhost.com/dwopa2.htm#baxandall

It's possible to ignore the treble part and/or make the controls EQ 'boost' only.

I drew up a sketch of the basic way I've done it, but you'll benefit by experiment or simulating different component values to achieve the desired effect.



+1 on that, I'm a fan of Bax
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rosscocean

In my experience, marshalls don't have a great deal of bottom end.

Projectile

This is an easy problem to solve. See the knob with the RED circle around it in the picture:



Turn it UP all the way. Now, turn DOWN the knobs that say 'treble', 'middle', and 'presence'. Done. You're welcome.

Ben N

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Just saying "bass" includes a lot of sonic territory. If you have or can borrow a graphic eq (an MXR, Dano Fish & Chips, Boss or similar would be fine) to play around with, it would help you isolate the specific frequencies/range you are looking to boost (or possibly cut). That would make it easier to tailor a one-knob bass booster to your needs.

Just be aware that, as intimated above, what sounds good in your private fiddlings may not sound as good, or be unmanageable, at stage volume with other instruments in the mix.
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