Where to put the Buffer in a multi pedal?

[carboncomp]

Building a little all on one pedal for gigging that I want a Rangemaster > Silicon fuzz> Overdrive> Distortion and a buffer as its going to be use with long cable setups.

Trouble is I keep reading totally contradicting post on if a buffer should be before or after a Rangemaster.

Personalty from breadboarding I'm inclined to think RM before buffer.....(when using a op amp buffer)

Can someone drop some science knowledge on me? 

[oldschoolanalog]

Not the scientific answer you're looking for, but... See what sounds best to your ears.
Personally, I think RM's, FF's, etc. sound best and "play nice" when used first in the chain.
My 2 cents.

[PRR]

The buffer goes *before* a long cable.

If the guitar-to-pedal cable is long, the buffer goes in the guitar (and the RM may not act right).

If the pedal-to-amp cable is long, the buffer is the last thing in the pedal (and what's in the pedal does not matter).

[carboncomp]

What if its both  

If it's the guitar-to-pedal, can I not just put the buffer after the RM and before the other pedals to get a RM that behaves, and the sparkly on my tone back due to the buffer?

Or would it be better to have the RM in its own loop, outside of the buffered chain?  

[anchovie]

If it's the guitar-to-pedal, can I not just put the buffer after the RM and before the other pedals to get a RM that behaves, and the sparkly on my tone back due to the buffer?

Do this and save yourself the headache. I doubt you'll be standing at one end of Wembley Stadium with your pedals at the other (apologies if I'm wrong!).

Not enough treble? I believe amps have a control for that!

[Gus]

How long are the cables going to be from the guitar to the effects
From the effects to the amp?
How many pf a foot for the cable?

You can then sim the setup to learn what is happening.

If the buffer is last you can make the input resistance the same as the amp

Part of the tone of a RM or FF like fuzz is the interaction of the guitar electronics with the cable capacitance and the input loading of the effect.

[PRR]

> guitar-to-pedal, can I not just put the buffer after the RM and before the other pedals to get a RM that behaves, and the sparkly on my tone back due to the buffer?

No. The sparkle is already lost after your 100-foot guitar-to-pedal cord. Just having a buffer downstream won't magically fix treble sucked-off by the cord. Like coffee which has sat in the urn too long: a re-heat doesn't bring back the rich aroma.

As Gus says, there are knobs to adjust treble. (OTOH, they rarely match the exact amount of loss in the cord.)