Wow...Commercial "rebote" delay for $25

[gcme93]

Just a quick comment on the Chinese manufacturing - it's my belief that they can create as high a quality as any other nation if needed, and if that's what they've been briefed to do. However, they can also do the job a lot cheaper if the company requesting the product cares less about quality and more about the price to manufacture.

All I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't associate "Chinese workmanship = shoddy" when this clearly isn't the case (check out some Ming dynasty vases). Perhaps it's a shame that their ability to manufacture so cheaply is depriving local jobs, but ultimately it's the American or European company that chose to use factories there.

[Mac Walker]

Culturally, intellectual property does not exist in eastern cultures.  There is no basis for it, it doesn't even cross their minds that they are "copying" or "stealing" an idea...

Cultural norms, in fact, discourage individualism, and encourage sharing of everything.

It's very difficult for Western cultures to even comprehend this.

If you want intellectual property protection for your designs, just post a pic of TANK MAN TIANANMEN SQUARE 1989 along side your designs.



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Google used to work with the Chinese government to filter anything they found objectionable, including pics like this.  I think they got booted out by the Chinese government, who knows what they see nowadays.....

[chromesphere]

Yes, my comment about chinese -> low quality wasnt very accurate.  I recently bought a honda mower.  Before i bought it, someone on a forum was saying "they are chinese! dont touch".  Its not so much where its made, its the quality control thats important.  Yes the mower kicks ass.

For this delay pedal, quality control is out the window.

My bro-in-law is going to send it my way so i can open it up and show you guys the guts.  The pots were the other area of concern.  He has given me the green light to gut it.  I will try to open it out as best i can without destroying it.  I suppose if i do, its only 25 for a new one lol

Anyway, it will be purely 'for fun'.  Not saying they are good.  Not saying they are bad.  To be honest, i spawned this thread purely because i couldnt believe that this thing is basically a 25 dollar rebote!  I knew about the mad professor DBD being pt2399 (rrp $200) but wasnt aware of a...ahem...CHEAP....chinese manufacturer using one...there are probably more out there!  I didnt know though.

Paul

[Thecomedian]

I wonder if in 20 years time, chinese products will be consider high quality? 
Paul

Go to Walmart, Target, Costco, Best Buy, etc. and buy a TV, a Nook, a Kindle, an iPod, an iPhone, a computer, whatever - it will have been made in China. 90% of what is in Walmart and Target was made in China.

For me quality is not the concern, it's the fact that all these jobs that could be going to Americans are going overseas while corporations keep getting more greedy because the billions of dollars of profit last quarter still wasn't quite enough.

It's why everyone bought Karl Marx's works when the economy went to crap worldwide. He delineates this. The method of capticalism requires the exploitation of the barbarian regions outside of the country, e.g. China to the US. This falls in line with the concept forwarded by Chomsky, that the US has had a system in place of expanding both political and eonomic borders to perpetuate and protect the self. Things like the Bay of Tonkin that sparked US invasion of Vietnam which killed vast amounts of drafted americans (which the FBI has now declassified and proven it was a HOAX, fbi.gov is a wonderful thing), to involving themselves in political struggles like supporting Contra (who sold Cocaine, the US was banned from helping them by Congress after, and the president went around that and sold weaponry to Iran to raise the money for the Contras to overthrow their government), and guess who also put the saddam hussein puppet in power in the first place? He may  be a bastard, but he's OUR bastard.

Anyway, it's like that game Go, you try to flip as many stones as possible to be the winner in the end, (where flipping them means making them US friendly in this case).

Anyway, if sociology was a field of glamour that paid well, I think we'd all be a little more pissy about things. "The goal of capitalism is to have someone other than the capitalist pay for the capitalist's bills". Some book I read in the Channel Island University Library to pass the time waiting for a chick I knew who went there. It makes sense, especially in light of reading just a little Marx. When a trade is equal, it means neither party profits. You each get what you want, but you can't really say either of you have gained more from it than you put in. The idea of profit is that you gain what you believe to be an unequal amount of reward for what you invested.

How this, Marx's "barbarian exploitation", and Noam Chomsky's views on US policy regarding expansionism and imperialism, relates, is that this is such an absurdly easy thing to see.

People from Mexico come here to MAKE money, while still earning less than minimum wage. They gain because of their standard of living being so poor in comparison. The Minimum wage prevents legal U.S. citizens working in jobs that employers want to pay less than minimum wage for: picking food and cleaning (I could tell you hellish stories of what the service industry of housekeeping is like). The same goes for factories, except that factories are very "on the books". Since "wage labor" a.k.a "slavery", through worker protection acts and minimum wages, etc, has been made illegal, the only way to pay workers far less is to exploit people outside of the country who can afford to work for less, and who are also ignorant of their own exploitation of not being paid the true value of their labor. They appear to benefit, so they're happy, while at the same time the factory benefits, while Americans lose jobs.

It's all really very humorous to me, because life seems like one big joke when you have seen it's face.

China is rapidly accelerating both in academic and business fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese goods become the de-facto "quality" goods in the future. Japanese stuff used to be considered bad, and look how they turned that around in the latter half of the 20th century.

[Paul Marossy]

China is rapidly accelerating both in academic and business fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese goods become the de-facto "quality" goods in the future. Japanese stuff used to be considered bad, and look how they turned that around in the latter half of the 20th century.

China to me is following in America's footsteps, and we showed them the way to do it on our way down. Now it is going to bite us in the butt. It will be the price we will all pay because of the greed of corporations. Our lives as Americans are ruled by corporations. Don't think so? Try living one day without a corporation involved in your life somehow. Impossible.

The gap between rich and poor here will soon be as extreme as it is in China. The ironic thing is that by US companies having everything made in China so they can have yet more profit is a large contributor to our demise as far as manufacturing is concerned. This is NOT the America I grew up in. I give it one to two more years and our economy will collapse. Debt based economies are doomed to failure. There will always be a point of no return where nothing in the world can fix the mess. I think we are already there.

Anyway, I don't have any stigma about buying something made in Japan, Korea, Mexico or China. If the quality is there, it's there.

[EATyourGuitar]

Go to Walmart, Target, Costco, Best Buy, etc. and buy a TV, a Nook, a Kindle, an iPod, an iPhone, a computer, whatever - it will have been made in China. 90% of what is in Walmart and Target was made in China.

For me quality is not the concern, it's the fact that all these jobs that could be going to Americans are going overseas while corporations keep getting more greedy because the billions of dollars of profit last quarter still wasn't quite enough.

do you understand that %99.99999 of the people responsible for this tragedy are not running corporations that retail goods in america? and %99.0 percent of americans responsible also are not running corporations that retail goods in america? are we really going to blame the one guy that wanted to keep his job by doing what he was hired to do? or do we blame the people who funded this grand scheme. obviously people like you and me are to blame. you have a choice to be ethical and poor or not so ethical and not as poor but still poor, what do you do? I don't think many poor people can afford this luxury of saving america on their own backs although I definitely have a tendency to blame them and myself. your government has the power to tarriff goods to equalize markets but bill clinton signed NAFTA to give us a short term boom and a long term bust. maybe this is the guy we should blame first if you want to complain about american jobs in the context of global market exploitation. people in mexico lost jobs when because of nafta and now it is happening in america. Bill Clinton has a nice house. why should we give a sh1t about the waltons? buy some stock in that corporation next time.