Wha…? What is this?

Started by Transistor-Transistor, October 11, 2024, 04:32:04 PM

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Transistor-Transistor

So a while ago my friend asked me to make him a fuzz-wah. I know for a fact I used a crybaby style wah for the actual wah part, but the fuzz... I can't remember for the life of me what the fuzz is based on. My friend let me look at the insides of it last night and I took some pictures of the fuzz board.






So it's obviously janky. However I do know it sounds amazing. Does anyone know what this could be based on? I can't read any of the capacitor values and I think I can faintly read the op amp is UA741

Oh the one thing I remember is the diodes are 1n34.
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antonis

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Rob Strand

#2
Too open ended.  You at least need the resistor values.

Maybe trace the circuit, add the part values you know.  A skeleton schematic will help narrow things down.
How the drive pot is wired also helps.

The diodes look like 1N914's to me.

It could be: (these are output clippers as opposed to antonis' feedback clippers)
- the distortion/fuzz section from the Morley BFW fuzz wah.
- there was a Schaller fuzz circuit from the late 70's similar to the Morley.
- MXR distortion +/DOD Overdrive
- Is that a transistor on the PCB?
  Maybe a Crowthers Hotcake?  There's a few versions.  Not sure off hand if one could be converted to LM741.
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Transistor-Transistor

Quote from: Rob Strand on October 11, 2024, 05:00:35 PMToo open ended.  You at least need the resistor values.

Maybe trace the circuit, add the part values you know.  A skeleton schematic will help narrow things down.
How the drive pot is wire also helps.

The diodes look like 1N914's to me.

It could be: (these are output clippers as opposed to antonis' feedback clippers)
- the distortion/fuzz section from the Morley BFW fuzz wah.
- there was a Schaller fuzz circuit from the late 70's similar to the Morley.
- MXR distortion +/DOD Overdrive
- Is that a transistor on the PCB?
  Maybe a Crowthers Hotcake?  There's a few versions.  Not sure off hand if one could be converted to LM741.


I'm working on a trace as we speak!
And yes that is a transistor on the board. I'm pretty sure it's just a buffer.
Why does man create? Is it man's purpose on earth to express himself, to bring form to thought, and to discover meaning in experience? Or is it just something to do when he's bored?
-Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes

Mark Hammer

I'm guessing it's a Distortion+ if the diodes are germanium, or a DOD 250 if they are silicon.  From the picture, it looks like the output from pin 6 goes to the diodes, and the diode pair are connected to ground (white wire going to pin 4 of the IC), which would likely make it one of those two.

Transistor-Transistor

#5
Quote from: Mark Hammer on October 11, 2024, 05:40:08 PMI'm guessing it's a Distortion+ if the diodes are germanium, or a DOD 250 if they are silicon.  From the picture, it looks like the output from pin 6 goes to the diodes, and the diode pair are connected to ground (white wire going to pin 4 of the IC), which would likely make it one of those two.

And I would agree with that, the only problem is that it sounds nothing like a distortion plus :icon_cry:

Looking at the bottom picture makes it look like its actually NOT connected to ground, but actually the adjacent capacitor.


Why does man create? Is it man's purpose on earth to express himself, to bring form to thought, and to discover meaning in experience? Or is it just something to do when he's bored?
-Calvin, Calvin and Hobbes

Rob Strand

#6
Doesn't look like a distortion+ to me.  I think antonis got it with the feedback diodes but I haven't confirmed it's an inverting topology or not,

Pretty much something like the top part of this,
https://www.next.gr/uploads/12/Fuzzbox-Using-LM7411.gif
[This variant from Elektor magazine, 1977,
https://www.freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?t=32015]

No doubt with some small differences with the biasing.  Perhaps the opamp and BJT are biased from the same Vcc/2 supply.
Send:     . .- .-. - .... / - --- / --. --- .-. -
According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.