Where to use a vibe in the pedal chain?

[powerplayj]

I know this is one of those "personal preference" questions but, is there an ideal place to situate a vibe in the pedal chain?

I'm a few components (and some luck) shy of completing my neovibe and the enclosure has room for 1,2 additional circuits.  Choosing which additional circuits will depend on where the vibe goes and how I plan to separate the power supplies......up front -> I'll throw in a fuzz or two....in the loop -> and I'll put in an EQ, Delay or Tremelo.

[alderbody]

I always like my vibe before any drive pedal (because it seems to like "dirty" amps like a Marshall or Vox) and after my Wah...

Sometimes, i try it with a compressor between the vibe and the drive(s).

[b_rogers]

for the jimi BOG and woodstock tones the best way is to put the vibe after a mild od or fuzz then into another od or ovedriven amp.

set the first fuzz or od a little dark, low drive, big boost and  roll off the vol on guitar so the swishing isnt too trebly.

for more subtle vibe, use it before your overdrive. i use a RM axis or hwy89>ultravibe>jackhammer>amp. it really does nail the woodstock and BOG tones.

hope this helps

Brent

[donald stringer]

one other thing you can do is put the vibrato infront of or behind a delay and rev. combination. I do this on my rp 300 and set the vibe at a subtle tone, you loose the particular tone I am speaking of if you go to heavy. You can try it in  the loop or last in your chain. Better yet if you have parralel mixing capabilities which would yield you more control  but  you  would  have  to build another pedal.

[mikey]

for the jimi BOG and woodstock tones the best way is to put the vibe after a mild od or fuzz then into another od or ovedriven amp.

I agree.  I use an axis face fuzz set to a smooth sound before my vibe to thicken up the swoosh. 

[alderbody]

for the jimi BOG and woodstock tones the best way is to put the vibe after a mild od or fuzz then into another od or ovedriven amp.

I agree.  I use an axis face fuzz set to a smooth sound before my vibe to thicken up the swoosh. 

Many times i do something similar, but with a pedal i built, which is actually a parked wah, but with increased gain.

Generally, i like to brighten up my vibe's input and then re-darken it with the OD.

This way i believe i get a more distinguished "vibe-ing"...

anyway... every method is good if it makes you happy... 

[Mark Hammer]

Univibes and wahs face a common predicament: before or after the distortion?

Both are useful arrangements, but sound different because of how they work.

A wah before a distortion determines what part of the signal gets distorted the most.  A wah after a distortion determines what part of the distortion roduced you get to hear most.

A Univibe OR a phaser after a distortion receives a harmonically richer signal, making the motches more audible, and the filtering effect more pronounced.  A Univibe or phaser BEFORE a distortion varies what parts of the signal fall above near or below the clipping threshold.  Since even low notes can produce harmonics higher up in the spectrum, having notches move around doesn't really eliminate whether there is sizzle or not, but the relative distriobution of the sizzle.  The result is a more generally "animated" sound as opposed to the more focussed sound you'd get if the Univibe/phaser followed the distortion and filtered stuff out.  The Univibe tends to have a less focussed sound than a phaser does anyways, but it is remarkable how much the differences between them start to disappear when you use either one before a distortion.

[powerplayj]

Thanks for the background info regarding the relationship between pedals.  It will definitely take some experimentation I see.  To make things more simple (possibly), I'm basically after a Trower vibe tone such as in "The Fool and Me" and many others off of Bridge of Sighs. 

[RedHouse]

Ah well that's a way easier thing to answer, use a FuzzFace BEFORE the Univibe, make sure the fuzzface's volume is up around 100% and fuzz is down about 5% off-max (where the hairy-fuzz just turns into sweet-fuzz) and then run it into a 4-input Marshall, Plexi/Ali style (non cascading preamp, ala JCM800) amp. Trower did change to JCM800 amps later after the band member changes, but it's when he lost that cool bluesy grinding univibe sound and started the Flanger on everything sound.

I love that old (1st and 2nd album) Trower grind, I get it with the above settings using my DIY univibe and my Brett style FF (piggyback Si).

But any decent (non diode clipping) overdrive should work as mentioned above I just put together a Highway-89 and am dying to try it out in place of the FF for the Trower grind.

[petemoore]

  Two things...amps...
  Running a phaser into one amp, no phase to the other, a very distinct phasing sound can be 'heard' coming from the speakers of the non-phased amp. The air from the phased amp phases the non phased signal...er...it's the mixing of the phase in the air that produces the phase sound from the 'straight' amp...
  This works REally well for the Bridge of Sighs and whatever...very sweet swooshing tones, more 'ambience' / less 'lumpy tremolo' type sound.
  Alot of wiring and another amp are needed of course...the fun play makes it worth the longer setup time.

[Alex C]

I know this is one of those "personal preference" questions but, is there an ideal place to situate a vibe in the pedal chain?
I'm a few components (and some luck) shy of completing my neovibe and the enclosure has room for 1,2 additional circuits.

If you haven't yet seen it, R.G. has written a great article on multiple effects in one enclosure (which applies even more to your situation as you're planning on having a Vibe and fuzz already): Jimi In A Box.

With the way normally-closed jacks are used, you can wire up the effects in the order you think you'll use most often, but still have the option of re-arranging their order by simply plugging in a few patch cords.

-Alex