Film caps in TS clones

[alderbody]

Has anyone tried a 10uF film cap instead of the electro in a TS output buffer?

Is there any tonal difference/benefit?

I can find a Metallised Polypropylene 10uF/250V (kinda big, but not huge) and since i'm planning to build a TS clone some day,
i'd like to "scan" some opinions...

All the tants and electros (except for the supply filters) will be replaced by film. Maybe only the 51pF will be ceramic.


So, what's your opinion/experience?

[markm]

Personally, I don't think it'll make a whole helluva lot of difference. 

[MartyMart]

Just use a small 1uf film cap
Plenty large enough and super "clean"
I've used them in several with good result, "subtle" change really
MM

[slacker]

You probably wouldn't need a 10uF film cap, it most cases something like 0.47uF or 1uF would sound the same.
As far as I'm concerned if tants and electros were good enough for Ibanez they're good enough for me

[petemoore]

So, what's your opinion/experience?
 I don't use brownies much/at all anymore.
 There's a whole batch of info at GEO and a page with charts/graphs/oscilliscope pics, not a whole lot on the cumulative effect [many caps in a circuit] of cap materials on tone influence.
 20% tolerance is fine, even if there is no tone control, I never messed with the fancy caps unless I had 'em or had to.
 I can tell no difference between non brownies marked 103, compared to 10 others marked 103, or even 153 compared to 103, 223 to 103 and I can hear a little difference if I'm listening for it, easier to hear at louder settings...if a want a different value there, I'll look at the cap markings to find the 'next' value.
 If I was shooting for pristine, maybe I'd be more inclined to try fancy caps, I think films do about = to anything else for a dirtbox, of course I use greenie or red caps mostly.
 Also I like the yellow AVX boxed caps, they're easier to pick out of a dark spot when I drop 'em.
 

[alderbody]

So, what's your opinion/experience?
 I don't use brownies much/at all anymore.
 There's a whole batch of info at GEO and a page with charts/graphs/oscilliscope pics, not a whole lot on the cumulative effect [many caps in a circuit] of cap materials on tone influence.
 20% tolerance is fine, even if there is no tone control, I never messed with the fancy caps unless I had 'em or had to.
 I can tell no difference between non brownies marked 103, compared to 10 others marked 103, or even 153 compared to 103, 223 to 103 and I can hear a little difference if I'm listening for it, easier to hear at louder settings...if a want a different value there, I'll look at the cap markings to find the 'next' value.
 If I was shooting for pristine, maybe I'd be more inclined to try fancy caps, I think films do about = to anything else for a dirtbox, of course I use greenie or red caps mostly.
 Also I like the yellow AVX boxed caps, they're easier to pick out of a dark spot when I drop 'em.
 

yes, i know about the GEO stuff...

the funny thing is that my experience with caps is totally different.

I mean, i can hear the difference among different caps of the same nominal value or even from the same brand/type/dielectric material...
Sometimes, i just wish i was tonedeaf...   

Ok, maybe this does not apply to every circuit out there, but... 

So that's what i wanted to know. If a better* quality cap would sound better* in a TS.     *(better=different)

btw in the FD-II i own, all the smaller_than_1uF_caps are film, and all others are electros.
The 51pF (or whatever value they use) is covered with a dark muddy thing...

why would i want to build a TS clone when i own an FD-II? I guess i'd like to see if i can make it better (for my ears/setup)

[alderbody]

Just use a small 1uf film cap
Plenty large enough and super "clean"
I've used them in several with good result, "subtle" change really
MM

yes, i used some film 1uF's in my uni-vibe and i found that it was too clean for my taste so i went back to the electros.

But in some other cases i liked the films better.

EDIT: do you mean i should use a 1uF film in the place of the 10uF electro?

[Unclerny]

I've tried all these suggestions and find no real significant difference in the sound of a TS.  I'm using 1uf NP electros for decoupling in my TS.  They're cost effective and small in space requirements.

UE

[MartyMart]

EDIT: do you mean i should use a 1uF film in the place of the 10uF electro?

Yes instead of the electro, though I agree that for instance if you built a pair of TS circuits both with slight cap "type"
differences, I very much doubt that you would hear "that" difference, what you WOULD hear is
the different tolerences of caps and r's first between both builds
I prefer to use film caps "in the signal" line anywhere, in preference to a tant/electro.
When a value of 1uf or above is cited, I often use .47uf's / .68uf's and 1uf's with no decernable change.
If I'm "fooling myself" then ... fine, but that's just my preference, and on the "super clean" Tone/boost
circuits, I think there's a difference ..... with a distortion ......  !!!  No.

MM.

[alderbody]

Yes instead of the electro, though I agree that for instance if you built a pair of TS circuits both with slight cap "type"
differences, I very much doubt that you would hear "that" difference, what you WOULD hear is
the different tolerences of caps and r's first between both builds

TRUE

I prefer to use film caps "in the signal" line anywhere, in preference to a tant/electro.

+1

When a value of 1uf or above is cited, I often use .47uf's / .68uf's and 1uf's with no decernable change.
If I'm "fooling myself" then ... fine, but that's just my preference, and on the "super clean" Tone/boost
circuits, I think there's a difference ..... with a distortion ......  !!!  No.

I'll keep that in mind!

To be honest, most of the cap differences i heard were in clean circuits. But i recall that i felt a diff in dirtier boxes, too...

Does this make me a sort of a dog-human mutant?...      

[ubersam]

Has anyone tried a 10uF film cap instead of the electro in a TS output buffer?

I have not tried one... why? I got turned off by the size (the thing is huge) and the price (about $7-$8 a piece).

[alderbody]

I have not tried one... why? I got turned off by the size (the thing is huge) and the price (about $7-$8 a piece).

The ones i found are about 12mm diameter and 22mm length. Not huge, but surely big.
(For instance, the .22uF 630V Mallory 150 are larger... )

And the price is +11euro...