simulation versus real tube amp ???

[petemoore]

  Sounds like a tube amp Cranked
  Sounds like a tubes' soft distortion
  Sounds like a 5 gain stage tube lead preamp when producing heavy distortion
  Sounds like a tube amps power supply sag.
  Sounds like a misbiased, half baked tube
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yes
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  Reacts just like tubes do under all the various conditions an output tube is subjected to without being subjected to anything resembling what an output tube sees.
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  no
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[DDD]

Hi men,
I would like to share the greatest tube simulation idea ever:
1. Each DIY or factory-made SS stompbox or amp should be marked with "Tube sounding fuzz (OD, amp, tremolo, etc)". Since we were born to be free we're actually free to consider our products as tube sounding products and mark our products with such a words,
2. or name our products as a "Tube Dreamer", "Tubey Tube Tuber" or something like that.
3. So the guitar players will purchase the gear not for the "tubey" names, but for the sound.
I think this is the most honest and sincere approach 

[brett]

Let me stir the pot by noting that "Deacy" style amps sound good.

Is it the:
push-pull output stage
germanium transistors
tiny, easily saturated, output transformer
class A driver transformer
....?

At least two of these things are shared by many valve amps (push-pull and having an OT).
 
When we say "valve" amp, surely we mean "valve plus transformers, etc" amp?

In my experience, a lot of pleasant tone emerges from the use of an output transformer.  But it is difficult to differentiate this effect from the benefits of output tubes because they almost always appear together.

cheers

[R.G.]

Kewl. And there you have it. All you need is push-pull and a transformer!

What a forehead slapper.