Looking for a guitar sound, help appreciated

[Heemis]

Hey everyone, wondering if anyone knows what setup was used to achieve two guitar tones I really love:

1. Lead on "American Woman" by The Guess Who  (Kravitz left out the best part of the song on his cover,  )

2. Solo on "Mr. Blue Sky" by ELO

these tones are very similar, sound very neck pickupy, low passed fuzz, lots of sustain... but I'm wondering if anyone knows exactly what was used.  Thanks in advance!

[theehman]

The Garnet Herzog is what you're looking for.  Basically, take a Champ or similar small amp, add a line out off the speaker, and run it into another amp.

[Toddy]

The fuzz tone solo on "American Woman" was made by a Colorsound Tonebender. My guess was that the guitar was some kind of a Gibson since Randy Bachman seemed to favor them around that time. Check out You Tube. You can do a myriad of research there and watch the band member line up change and see them gain weight before your eyes!

Rock On!
Toddy

[Mark Hammer]

Nope.  Randy himself goes on...ad nauseum...almost every freaking week on his radio show....about the role of the Herzog in that tune.  Him and Gar Gillies had a very nice symbiotic relationship at that time.  It may well be the case that a Tonebender and appropriate knob tweaking will duplicate it, but that tone WAS the Herzog at its most fundamental.

[MikeH]

The Garnet Herzog is what you're looking for.  Basically, take a Champ or similar small amp, add a line out off the speaker, and run it into another amp.

Wait, so you're saying he ran a 5w amplified out into the input of another amp?  Like the speaker output?  Won't that cause some serious damage to at least one of those amps?

[petemoore]

Wait, so you're saying he ran a 5w amplified out into the input of another amp?  Like the speaker output?  Won't that cause some serious damage to at least one of those amps?
  Yupp, that's how the story went until Gill fixed a buncha amps and asked the ~the same question, then set up the output attenuator circuit to bump way down the bumped way up [5w] signal, making it more suitable and less blowing stuff up for the next amplifier. Supposedly a number of amps were blown/damaged by plugging Amp>Amp.
  I tried such business with a 5W tube recto-EL84 amp thing I built, really nice sounding amp. But the 'high tension' in the first amp>amplified made for plenty of noise, I suppose this is extremely common [we used to try and blow stuff up a long time ago, Amp>Amp always equaled "noise multiplied noise"]. "Whether this noise plagued Randy" isn't a complete sentence, but is worth contemplating if your after something you can say...use on stage.
  I'd personally work a different design than Champ's 5w 'pinholed' into a tube amp. Even if sticking with 2 tube amps for tone...maybe make a .5w amp, use a reactive load on it's output, feed that into the next amp...really watch out for reducing input of HT noise, since the treble sounds rolled off...you can probably get away with LP-ing some noise out. 
  The H-zog was only on the droning leads ? The rythm sounds like a tremolo or vibrato type amp.