Looking for a grungey, fuzzy, distorted, noise pedal....

Started by therecordingart, January 05, 2010, 09:08:12 AM

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therecordingart

I'm not sure what to build. I want a really grungey and broken up distortion, but not sure what to look at. Any suggestions?

bipedal

Can you point us to any sound examples / references that capture the flavor of sounds you're aiming for?  It'll help folks narrow their suggestions.   :)
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therecordingart

I'll do some looking around for examples. Think 90s grunge or stoner rock.

Scruffie

The grungiest, fuzziest and noiseiest things I can think of http://www.deviever.com/

There's schematics for some of them on the 'other' forum & she's posted them on her own forum.

anchovie

I recently built a Univox Superfuzz clone for a Fu Manchu fan. And of course it's one of the two pedals named in the title of the Mudhoney EP!
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fuzzo

Quote from: Scruffie on January 05, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
The grungiest, fuzziest and noiseiest things I can think of http://www.deviever.com/

There's schematics for some of them on the 'other' forum & she's posted them on her own forum.

He said "fuzz pedal" not "noise box"  ;D

Once , I breaboard the octane 2 by zvex (just a superfuzz clone) that was very buzzy and noisy with the octave up all the time present. That sounded cool for lead parts or crazy riff but maybe not for a "main fuzz" .

I tested also the "cream puff" by frantone, fine too, in the same spirit of big muff but with something more . The tonestack seems cut the mids as the big muff does.

A tweaked Silicon fuzz face circuit could be a great choise.



petemoore

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  Guitar, amp, speaker, you'll need these to make the distortion effect circuit do anything more than make a 'click'.
 They have as much to do with tonal contribution as one distortion effect circuit compared to the next.
 Work up the basic tone, dial it in [guitar/amp/speaker], then try the fuzzboxes, is suggested.
 The speaker and amp contribution to tone can be reduced or increased but not eliminated, the guitar/source of course being a huge contributor to overall tone, or specific tonal qualities.
 Humbuckers ? Single Coils ? Tube output amplifier ? SS amp ? all this stuff makes big changes to the quality of tone questions and answers.
  That said, a bunch of 9v stages required. They could be anything, take a look at the Big Muff or BSIAB for ideas.
  Build any boost, could be compression even. Then put more boost [this second stage'll probably start to distort if at 9v, recieving a boosted up input]..and some distortion in there for the 2nd stage. Then put maybe a DIST+ as final stage [2nd stage could be a TS, or a BMP diode/transistor distortion stage]...
  Working with that, dial in the specific frequencies by tweekin' or adding caps for rolloff's [cheap 7 band EQ pedal may help deciding what/where in the signal path the tone shaping should be, then put with a 3 knob Tonestack where-''there'', EQ's can be noisy.
  Boost>BOost-OD>BOoosted OD Distorted more > Tonestack > Ouput...there's a recurring tendancy for this order, I find it works out pretty good too, any order of 'events' [circuit configurations / re-ordering the lineup of stages] is plausible, not busted.
  IF the output is shy, boost it. If the highs are harsh, clip-ground capacitor>wire>probe, and try shaving highs here...then later...there, varying amounts.
  Then pre-boost your best tweek with a Stratoblaster.
  Then do it again, different to a great or very small degree this time. Race two very similar circuits [slight tweeks to find the optimal circuit] or keep trying various new ones.
 
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brett

Hi
There was this band called Nirvana, and the lead guitarist used a roland pedal (=Tubescreamer) and a funny guitar and cheap speakers (Radio Shack).
The pedal has an upper-mids "hump", and the guitar had a fat lowish hump. 
It really helped them that the drummer that could track and fill out the lead singer's vocals. 
If you listen, you can hear the drummer's vocals on lots of their tracks (especially Smells like..).
cheers
Brett Robinson
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Brymus

Quote from: brett on January 05, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
Hi
There was this band called Nirvana, and the lead guitarist used a roland pedal (=Tubescreamer) and a funny guitar and cheap speakers (Radio Shack).
The pedal has an upper-mids "hump", and the guitar had a fat lowish hump. 
It really helped them that the drummer that could track and fill out the lead singer's vocals. 
If you listen, you can hear the drummer's vocals on lots of their tracks (especially Smells like..).
cheers
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jkokura

Quote from: brett on January 05, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
Hi
There was this band called Nirvana, and the lead guitarist used a roland pedal (=Tubescreamer) and a funny guitar and cheap speakers (Radio Shack).
The pedal has an upper-mids "hump", and the guitar had a fat lowish hump. 
It really helped them that the drummer that could track and fill out the lead singer's vocals. 
If you listen, you can hear the drummer's vocals on lots of their tracks (especially Smells like..).
cheers

Also, they doubled a lot of his vocals, and that particular vocalist was very good at doubling accurately.

bumblebee

Nothing says grunge like a 3034 big muff or supperfuzz as far as fuzz is concerned anyways.

deaconque

Quote from: brett on January 05, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
Hi
There was this band called Nirvana, and the lead guitarist used a roland pedal (=Tubescreamer) and a funny guitar and cheap speakers (Radio Shack).
The pedal has an upper-mids "hump", and the guitar had a fat lowish hump. 
It really helped them that the drummer that could track and fill out the lead singer's vocals. 
If you listen, you can hear the drummer's vocals on lots of their tracks (especially Smells like..).
cheers

He actually used a Boss Turbo distortion for the majority of his career and a Sans Amp GT2 in the later years.  For diy purposes though I would say go for a big muff.

jacobyjd

Try the Sanchez. :)

Also...I agree with the Big Muff voters. Add the AMZ Presence control to control the mid scoop and you'll have exactly what you're looking for.
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bumblebee

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Quote from: deaconque on January 06, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: brett on January 05, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
Hi
There was this band called Nirvana, and the lead guitarist used a roland pedal (=Tubescreamer) and a funny guitar and cheap speakers (Radio Shack).
The pedal has an upper-mids "hump", and the guitar had a fat lowish hump.  
It really helped them that the drummer that could track and fill out the lead singer's vocals.  
If you listen, you can hear the drummer's vocals on lots of their tracks (especially Smells like..).
cheers

He actually used a Boss Turbo distortion for the majority of his career and a Sans Amp GT2 in the later years.  For diy purposes though I would say go for a big muff.
Not true, he recorded nevermind  (and playe dlive )with a DS-1, jaguar and twin reverb(later switching amps but he never used marshall heads, because "they sucked".... which I tend to agree), used the DS-2 later on  in the In Utero era and then switched to a Sansanmp original.
He never used a GT2.


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