Tired of broken stomp-switches?

Started by PRR, March 08, 2013, 04:09:43 PM

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Geez 16 of your shiny dollars.
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Jazznoise

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Current: 6A"

Yup. Should work reasonably well on my Fuzz Face.
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digi2t

Hmmm... made in China.

Should last about as long as any other switch they make.
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R.G.

Let me insert my standard comment on "made in China is junk..." issues.

I have done business with Chinese manufacturers for some years now. They are businessmen. They will sell you what you want to pay for. In particular, they will sell US businessmen the cheapest junk that can be manufactured, because that's what they are asked for.

They will also sell you high quality, reliable stuff if you ask and will pay for it. You get quality from Chinese manufacturers the same way you do with any manufacturers: you work hard to make sure the design is a quality design, you work directly with the manufacturing team to make sure the quality requirements are understood, you pay for the level of quality you demand and can afford, and you ... keep... on... working... at this as long as the item(s) are being manufactured.

This was what happened when I was working with a manufacturing line across the street from our design group, and it happens with contract manufacturing in China. You make clear decisions about what quality level is needed, and you then find out whether you can pay for that level. Once you find a workable agreement for "meets specifications" and price, you have to keep working at it to keep it there.


There. I feel better. Sorry.  :icon_biggrin:
R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.

Mac Walker

Yep, definitely should specify "Do not add toxic fly ash to drywall in exhorbitant amounts" when drumming up yer QCS for imported drywall.... :icon_eek:

http://news.legalexaminer.com/chinese-drywall-suspicions-confirmed-by-epa.aspx?googleid=263306

R.G.

Quote from: Mac Walker on March 08, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
Yep, definitely should specify "Do not add toxic fly ash to drywall in exhorbitant amounts" when drumming up yer QCS for imported drywall.... :icon_eek:
Well, yes, it should.

If the buyer sampled the drywall, and specified it to meet standards X, Y, and Z that would exclude things like toxic materials, that's one thing, or if the supplier produced a specification that represented that no toxics were used, or that it met whatever standards were involved, that's one thing.

If the specification for what to buy was "send me whatever you have that looks like drywall", that's another thing. If you didn't even ASK for nontoxic stuff in the absence of any expectations...

Let's be clear here: US suppliers don't have all that pristine a record of supplying wholesome, nontoxic and standard-conforming products. For some history, google Upton Sinclair and Jungle. What we do have is a century of trying to eradicate this kind of mess, and punishing the ones who violate our expectations. Where we are demanding the cheapest possible products from a newly-industrialized country with a brand-new generation of robber barons - let's not lay blame unilaterally. It's interesting to google "superfund site" and practically anything about any large industry.
R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.

J0K3RX

It's all about $$$ and that is where it all begins, or ends, depending on which side of the fence you are on... The Chinese know how to mass produce that's for sure and it's usually done with what amounts to slave labor by any other non-communist standard... The US can't compete with that, pennies to the dollar wins every time! Good or bad they will buy the cheapest stuff just to make a buck... We don't really make anything anymore, mostly just lazy sheep waiting for the farmer to come. Anyway, just try to find a pedal that doesn't have at least one Chinese part in it, I dare you! Hell, I dare you to take a walk through your own house and count how many things were made in the USA... Bet you won't find much!
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Electron Tornado

Great! I'm starting a mod service to retrofit these into the entire line of Danelectro pedals. Behringer, Arion? Send 'em in! Tear off that Chinese label and stick one on that says "One Big Son of a Switch"!  :icon_lol:

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I would suspect this switch is not like the low-bid stuff they sell to careless foreign markets. They probably use this switch on factory punch-presses to _make_ cheap products. If the foot-switch fails, production stalls, BAD for business.
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Quote from: PRR on March 08, 2013, 10:30:18 PM
I would suspect this switch is not like the low-bid stuff they sell to careless foreign markets. They probably use this switch on factory punch-presses to _make_ cheap products. If the foot-switch fails, production stalls, BAD for business.


:icon_lol: :icon_lol: LOL... Looks like the speed control pedal on my grandmas Singer sewing machine :icon_mrgreen:
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soggybag

Way back when I bought a Fulltone 3PDT switch from smallbear for something $11 to $13, I forget. It was expensive, and only Fulltone made them back then. I still have it.

With this switch you get the case and the switch. Looks like you can fit a Fuzz Face in there and there's room for a couple knobs on the top. If the box was aluminum I'd think about building a line industrial themed stompboxes.

Mac Walker

Quote from: R.G. on March 08, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Mac Walker on March 08, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
Yep, definitely should specify "Do not add toxic fly ash to drywall in exhorbitant amounts" when drumming up yer QCS for imported drywall.... :icon_eek:
Well, yes, it should.

If the buyer sampled the drywall, and specified it to meet standards X, Y, and Z that would exclude things like toxic materials, that's one thing, or if the supplier produced a specification that represented that no toxics were used, or that it met whatever standards were involved, that's one thing.

If the specification for what to buy was "send me whatever you have that looks like drywall", that's another thing. If you didn't even ASK for nontoxic stuff in the absence of any expectations...

Let's be clear here: US suppliers don't have all that pristine a record of supplying wholesome, nontoxic and standard-conforming products. For some history, google Upton Sinclair and Jungle. What we do have is a century of trying to eradicate this kind of mess, and punishing the ones who violate our expectations. Where we are demanding the cheapest possible products from a newly-industrialized country with a brand-new generation of robber barons - let's not lay blame unilaterally. It's interesting to google "superfund site" and practically anything about any large industry.


OK, got it...."Do not add toxic melamine to spike measured protein levels in baby formula, as it might kill small children"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Fortunately there are too many legal restrictions in the U.S. to import food products from this piece of shit, third world country.....


Lurco

No word of DPDT or the like in that ad. Bet there are two or three tiny tactile microswitches in that case, operated by some kind of actuators ("backward/forward/stop").

samhay

#15
If you're in the UK, they are on offer for a tenner with free shipping.
http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/product-14003425-industrial_duty_foot_pedal_switch.html
I guess they weigh a fair bit, but the idea of using them as an enclosure is quite tempting. The cost is comparable to a painted 1590B and a 3PDT...
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Quote from: R.G. on March 08, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Mac Walker on March 08, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
Yep, definitely should specify "Do not add toxic fly ash to drywall in exhorbitant amounts" when drumming up yer QCS for imported drywall.... :icon_eek:
Well, yes, it should.

If the buyer sampled the drywall, and specified it to meet standards X, Y, and Z that would exclude things like toxic materials, that's one thing, or if the supplier produced a specification that represented that no toxics were used, or that it met whatever standards were involved, that's one thing.

If the specification for what to buy was "send me whatever you have that looks like drywall", that's another thing. If you didn't even ASK for nontoxic stuff in the absence of any expectations...

Let's be clear here: US suppliers don't have all that pristine a record of supplying wholesome, nontoxic and standard-conforming products. For some history, google Upton Sinclair and Jungle. What we do have is a century of trying to eradicate this kind of mess, and punishing the ones who violate our expectations. Where we are demanding the cheapest possible products from a newly-industrialized country with a brand-new generation of robber barons - let's not lay blame unilaterally. It's interesting to google "superfund site" and practically anything about any large industry.

oh, definitely. You know Johnson and Johnson's Talc powder for baby bottoms? Talc contains silica dust, which causes "potters rot", iow, if you breathe too much into the lungs, you eventually end up with breathing problems (think lung cancer).

But they care about your baby, just like the commercial says, right? Also, silica doesn't come out of your body. It's in there for good unless mechanically removed.
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Mac Walker

Quote from: Thecomedian on March 09, 2013, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: R.G. on March 08, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Mac Walker on March 08, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
Yep, definitely should specify "Do not add toxic fly ash to drywall in exhorbitant amounts" when drumming up yer QCS for imported drywall.... :icon_eek:
Well, yes, it should.

If the buyer sampled the drywall, and specified it to meet standards X, Y, and Z that would exclude things like toxic materials, that's one thing, or if the supplier produced a specification that represented that no toxics were used, or that it met whatever standards were involved, that's one thing.

If the specification for what to buy was "send me whatever you have that looks like drywall", that's another thing. If you didn't even ASK for nontoxic stuff in the absence of any expectations...

Let's be clear here: US suppliers don't have all that pristine a record of supplying wholesome, nontoxic and standard-conforming products. For some history, google Upton Sinclair and Jungle. What we do have is a century of trying to eradicate this kind of mess, and punishing the ones who violate our expectations. Where we are demanding the cheapest possible products from a newly-industrialized country with a brand-new generation of robber barons - let's not lay blame unilaterally. It's interesting to google "superfund site" and practically anything about any large industry.

oh, definitely. You know Johnson and Johnson's Talc powder for baby bottoms? Talc contains silica dust, which causes "potters rot", iow, if you breathe too much into the lungs, you eventually end up with breathing problems (think lung cancer).

But they care about your baby, just like the commercial says, right? Also, silica doesn't come out of your body. It's in there for good unless mechanically removed.

The difference here is that there is nothing sinister about this product, and it takes YEARS AND YEARS of exposure to silica dust to develop respiratory problems...

(I can put you in touch with some individuals at NIOSH if you're interested, I am involved in some government studies using HEPA filters in underground mining applications).

Even with Superfund sites, there is nothing more than gross incompetence and lack of common sense regulations involved (usually, there are exceptions of course)...

It's different than CHOOSING to lace a product with poison.....

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/newpetfoodrecalls/

The Chinese have a MASSIVE inferiority complex, a result of being half a century behind their neighbors in Japan, South Korea (and 100 years behind the West of course)....

So desperate to prove themselves that they will not hesitate to shoot themselves in the foot....

You just aren't seeing these types of problems in other developing economies in Indonesia, India, Vietnam, etc.

Oh, and my price point for the footswitch listed above would be between $0.40 and $0.50.  Unless the Yuan were allowed to float against the dollar and traded in a free market, not set by the Chinese government.  Then I would be willing to pay around $4-$5..... 8)




amptramp

I doubt you will get an alternate-action 3PDT in an industrial switch case like that.  But I don't have much good to say about the 3PDT's we can get and I have two industrial limit switches ready to go in future projects.

Jazznoise

Chinese manufacturing?

Have you heard about the European horse-meat scandal? Or the use of cellulose in American foods? It's a market model, nothing to do with China asuch. They just do what they can to fulfill a contract and nothing more.
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