Original EARLY UniVibes and late UniVibes differences are...

[rama claproth]

There are differences between the 1968 UniVibe and the 1969 UniVibe that we all should know and try it out

Look again at the layout from Turretboard ---> http://www.turretboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/UV_Repro_Layout_names.pdf

The differences are the caps on C13 and C16 are switched the other way around!

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C13 for 4,7nF, and C16 for 470pF.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C13 for 470pF and C16 for 4,7nF.

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C6 (-) negative goes to LDR.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C6 (+) positive goes to LDR.

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C17 (-) negative goes to R32 R33 R34.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C17's polarity orientation the same way like the early UniVibes had it too, BUT most clone builders follow the "915" factory schematic, the RG schematic or the Turretboard layout which they got it WRONG for C17's polarity orientation.

Most EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had R37 for 47K but also some early ones from the same year had R37 for 100K.

Most late UniVibes (single rubber version) had R37 for 100K.

Note: The ones that use the 10nF and the 6nF for C13 and C16 (which were mentioned by Turretboard as the "Wattson" tracing) they were mistakes made by Shin Ei BUT were made very limited that way.

Keep in mind the 1968 UniVibes were NOT made by Shin Ei, they were made by a company named Honey. Shin Ei took over Honey in 1969 and years later Korg took over Shin Ei. Honey was the original company which first produced UniVibe and put UniVibe on sale in 1967. Unfortunately, Honey went bankrupt in 1969 and Shin Ei became in charge of the production of UniVibe and as a result, UniVibe after 1969 experienced several changes in specification such as the design of logo and the circuit and hence the change in the sound occurred.

[Lurco]

Another one: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=102173.0

[RedHouse]

Much of this is just re-posts (cut-n-paste's) from sinners thread over on FS.org

What's the point? trying to be the latest "expert"? and rama, what's the deal with all the emails I've been getting from you asking about this stuff, and now I see you're re-iterating much here as your "findings"?.

Don't mean to rain-on-your-parade rama, but aren't ya going overboard with the claims on what's-what, and who used what? are you unaware the "single" rubber speed pedal (vs the double rubber) is no indicator of timeline? and can be found on early and late units.

Here's a news-update my friend, the .68uF caps in the LFO you asked me about recently was not "mistake" it was a factory sub, seen quite often in real vibes, as was subbing the tantalums, as was the 2SC945 sub's, as was the .005 under the board you asked me about last week like in that link you sent me to a self-appointed guru (Frantone) who has obviously not seen many real vibes up-close and personal.

Sheesh, whaddabunchacrap'ola in that link.

Most of what you have posted here lately was already posted by others before, and what's up with all this "Jimi NEVER used single rubber univibes" and you know this how? uh-huh.


In the spirit of forum-luv, peace out.

[RedHouse]

Sorry if my post sounds abrasive, just like to speak-up when I hear BS, call it a character flaw on my part.

I should probably take some classes on web communication and email ettiquette, gets me into trouble all the time on the forums.  

[DougH]

Jimi ate tomatoes and didn't use shoe polish. That's the whole secret to his sound. Remember, you heard it here first.

[RedHouse]

Jimi ate tomatoes and didn't use shoe polish. That's the whole secret to his sound. Remember, you heard it here first.

And I heared they were actually mod'ed tomatoes, had reversed polarity seeds inside and a different stem than everyone elses!  

Some say the shoe polish was inside the Strat, giving him a brown sound way before Eddie.

[HD Evans]

According to ancient astronaut theorists, these changes might have otherwordly origins.

[midwayfair]

Sorry if my post sounds abrasive, just like to speak-up when I hear BS, call it a character flaw on my part.

I should probably take some classes on web communication and email ettiquette, gets me into trouble all the time on the forums.  

Given that this guy's currently posting Sinner's layouts and stuff on his website and claiming them as his own, I'd say your abrasiveness is restrained.

[rama claproth]

I apologize for using the Turretboard layouts made by SINNER. It is NOT my right. I pulled down the layouts already. To SINNER, I am really sorry and it won't happen again. My bad, my mistake.

[midwayfair]

I apologize for using the Turretboard layouts made by SINNER. It is NOT my right. I pulled down the layouts already. To SINNER, I am really sorry and it won't happen again. My bad, my mistake.

That's fine and I'm glad you did that, but there's still an issue of citing your sources in the original post. I believe this was mentioned on at least one of the FSB threads you posted in, as well as your original post here (though maybe the forum software here will not allow you to edit it at this time).

You'll find a lot of goodwill is generated by proper attribution at all times; people won't think less of you that you didn't do all the first-hand research yourself, because aggregation is still a legitimate form of research and drawing conclusions. One less thing for people to disagree with.

[rama claproth]

Not at all Sinner. If I was in your position, I would be dissapointed too. It is your work and it's your art, you spend time with full effort making those layouts with your heart and I admit I am wrong for using your layouts. Your layouts are beautiful and I don't want to "harm" them like I did previously. Once again, I regret and I am sorry.

Forgive me buddy.

[rama claproth]

Sinner and I have cleared some bad air and I disagree for him to feel sorry, it was my mistake and it was my fault

http : // www. freestompboxes. org / viewtopic . php? f = 19&t = 19321&p = 219607 # p219607

[rama claproth]

Okay, to buddy MIDWAYFAIR. This was my original post at first place which is not ethical, I am sorry and I regret for the editing. Here it is the original post:

There are differences between the 1968 UniVibe and the 1969 UniVibe that we all should know and try it out!

Look again at the layout from Turretboard ---> http://www.turretboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/UV_Repro_Layout_names.pdf

The differences are the caps on C13 and C16 are switched the other way around!

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C13 for 4,7nF, and C16 for 470pF.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C13 for 470pF and C16 for 4,7nF.

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C6 (-) negative goes to LDR.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C6 (+) positive goes to LDR.

EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had C17 (-) negative goes to R32 R33 R34.

The late UniVibes (single rubber version) had C17's polarity orientation the same way like the early UniVibes had it too, BUT most clone builders follow the "915" factory schematic, the RG schematic or the Turretboard layout which they got it WRONG for C17's polarity orientation.

Most EARLY UniVibes (double rubber version) had R37 for 47K but also some early ones from the same year had R37 for 100K.

Most late UniVibes (single rubber version) had R37 for 100K.

Here are the layout of BOTH the 1968 and 1969 UniVibes:

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/2669/uv1968.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/9903/uv1969.jpg

Note: The ones that use the 10nF and the 6nF for C13 and C16 (which were mentioned by Turretboard as the "Wattson" tracing) they were mistakes made by Shin Ei BUT were made very limited that way.

Keep in mind the 1968 UniVibes were NOT made by Shin Ei, they were made by a company named Honey. Shin Ei took over Honey in 1969 and years later Korg took over Shin Ei. Honey was the original company which first produced UniVibe and put UniVibe on sale in 1967. Unfortunately, Honey went bankrupt in 1969 and Shin Ei became in charge of the production of UniVibe and as a result, UniVibe after 1969 experienced several changes in specification such as the design of logo and the circuit and hence the change in the sound occurred.

Jimi NEVER used the single rubber version UniVibes, Jimi used the double rubber version UniVibes.

[rama claproth]

To Brad, my apologies to you too. I have no intention to create heat and no, I have never known Jimi, but I have worked together with his sound engineer Eddie Kramer back in 2001 and 2002. He told me about Jimi never used the "single rubber" version. Once again, I am not a policeman or an interrogator, I am a musician. I owe you guys, hope you dig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdPPq7ctQHo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCJM4pv7CU

[RedHouse]

To Brad, my apologies to you too. ...Eddie Kramer back in 2001 and 2002. He told me about Jimi never used the "single rubber" version. ...

No appology necessary to me, lets just keep it real.

Eddie Kramer has said a lot of things about Jimi, sometimes they match up to history, well not so much.

EK once said in a unauthorized biography he was co-author of, that Jimi used a "blond twin" exclusively in the studio, yet there are plenty of pictures of Jimi playing through Marshalls in the studio. Mr Kramer might remember things differently as time goes by, but that's not for me to say.
(oops, I guess I did say it)

[rama claproth]

To Brad, my apologies to you

No appology necessary to me, lets just keep it real.

Kept..

[midwayfair]

Thanks for the source info, Rama.

By the way, I checked out some of your videos.

HOLY CRAP DUDE. You're an amazing player (and performer)! I'm often turned off by speed blues, but you really seem to have an almost unlimited supply of subtle variations.

[rama claproth]

Thanks for the source info, Rama.

By the way, I checked out some of your videos.

HOLY CRAP DUDE. You're an amazing player (and performer)! I'm often turned off by speed blues, but you really seem to have an almost unlimited supply of subtle variations.

Thank you Midwayfair

Once again I'm sorry for the editing and it won't happen again. I have made everyone here angry especially Brad, I regret a lot and I feel guilty.

BTW you can checkout all my videos here ---> http://www.youtube.com/user/rama69satria

My Twitter at @RamaSatria_

My FB at http://www.facebook.com/RamaSatriaClaproth

Peace

[RedHouse]

I was much less enamored with the clips, but then I'm no fan of shred-blues, fast is great but only with feeling and phrasing, refrain, tension and release, use of time, not just the 'ol  x+y=z.
(but what do I know)

BTW, I'm not angry, you misread me but no worries, it happens all the time on the forums. It's all good.

[rama claproth]

I was much less enamored with the clips, but then I'm no fan of shred-blues, fast is great but only with feeling and phrasing, refrain, tension and release, use of time, not just the 'ol  x+y=z.
(but what do I know)

BTW, I'm not angry, you misread me but no worries, it happens all the time on the forums. It's all good.

I'm sorry for misreading you Brad. And I'm sorry for the fast shred playing with no soul and no feeling. Maybe here's one for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en7vwT2U4Jg