Buffer pedal

[Lbzg]

Hi,


Can someone send links for building buffer pedal that can eliminate popping?

Also is this even possible?

[mth5044]

Do a search on this forum for popping and such and read up on the causes. There was a thread very recently where Mark Hammer explained it very well.

[Lbzg]

I know but I don't need input or output resistors, because my popping does not have a solution (been discussing it in my previous post) I just need that pedal that clears voltage on pedal chain...I don't know names or schematics  so I ask to find out. I've been hearing about them but never look into it (now that I need to I have a hard way to find out). :-)

[chptunes]

Read these articles by Jack Orman.

http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm

http://www.muzique.com/lab/led.htm

-Corey

[SmoothAction]

http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/2011/04/klon-buffer.html

[tca]

Why do you keep asking the same thing over and over again?

- http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=103305.0
- http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=103368.0

Did you ever read the answers?

Cheers.

[aron]

He thinks that having a buffer is the answer to popping at this point.

[Mark Hammer]

Well, it can be one answer.  It just isn't the complete answer.  No harm in exploring it, though.

Heck, I was testing out some circuits last night, and sone pedal I was convinced ought not to have any pop whatsoever had a very pronounced pop each and every time.  The suggestions we make here will be effective most of the time, but they will not be 100% effective 100% of the time.

And, as near as I can tell, English is not Lbzg's first language.  So cut him/her some slack in the event that a response to a query is not fully understood.

[aron]

Did you solve your popping problem? What method did you use?

[aron]

>I know but I don't need input or output resistors, because my popping does not have a solution (been discussing it in my previous post) I just need that pedal that clears voltage on pedal chain...I don't know names or schematics  so I ask to find out. I've been hearing about them but never look into it (now that I need to I have a hard way to find out). :-)

I don't think this would work because you have already grounded the input to the popping pedal and it still popped (If I recall correctly). OK, I am going to pose a slightly radical test. Take the switch out of the NON popping pedal and put it into the popping pedal. Let us know if it still pops. If not, it's the switch. If it still does, then we keep looking in the circuit.

[Lbzg]

Hi guys.

Thank you all for your answers. Yes, I do understand all that others have directed me to but none of it helped and I have read somewhere that commercial buffer pedals have solved this, especialy coz commercial pedals mostly are not owned by people who like to do this things when their pedals starts to pop.

I have replaced 3pdt switch and popping is the same...

sorry for asking few times but right topics are so hard to find here and mostly people dont post if some guides are working or not...

Yes I have grounded input as same shown on ggg, and on tonepad and on arons (which didnt pop at first but now popps every time)...i know they are different as I have done all of them...

I have disconnected other pcb (rebote 2.5) but now that pcb is popping...

Would be any other sign of leaking cap than just popping? Would different value resistor be cause? I really dont know what could it be? Maybe bad 9v socket or pot? both pcbs are working and are working so perfect that I adore those...I really need those pedals on my board but dont wonna burn listeners ears every time I engage pedal...

Did someone build ts9 from tonepad ar rebote 2.5 from tonepad and had a popping and solve it?

[Bill Mountain]

I'm sorry for your troubles but from what I know about popping is that it is always a possibility regardless of bypass method used.  I built 3 of the same pedals exactly the same way and only 1 of them popped.  It frustrated the hell out of me and I never solved it.

A buffer won't be a fix-all.  If there is internal leakage then a buffered signal won't help.

A buffered bypass can help with certain types of popping but that would have to be internal and part of the pedal's design.

Do you happen to have super bright LED's?

[Lbzg]

I'm sorry for your troubles but from what I know about popping is that it is always a possibility regardless of bypass method used.  I built 3 of the same pedals exactly the same way and only 1 of them popped.  It frustrated the hell out of me and I never solved it.

A buffer won't be a fix-all.  If there is internal leakage then a buffered signal won't help.

A buffered bypass can help with certain types of popping but that would have to be internal and part of the pedal's design.

Do you happen to have super bright LED's?

Led is not a problem I have tested that by disconnecting it...

does your buffered bypass is refered to a led or to input or output of pedal?

[Bill Mountain]

I'm sorry for your troubles but from what I know about popping is that it is always a possibility regardless of bypass method used.  I built 3 of the same pedals exactly the same way and only 1 of them popped.  It frustrated the hell out of me and I never solved it.

A buffer won't be a fix-all.  If there is internal leakage then a buffered signal won't help.

A buffered bypass can help with certain types of popping but that would have to be internal and part of the pedal's design.

Do you happen to have super bright LED's?

Led is not a problem I have tested that by disconnecting it...

does your buffered bypass is refered to a led or to input or output of pedal?

The buffered bypass is something you'd see in like a Boss pedal.  It can also be seen in some other designs as well (my old Roger Mayer had it as well).  What it means is that the effect is always on and the signal is always applied to it (unlike true bypass) and the stomp switch just switches between routing it through the effect or through the buffer.  It never leaves the active part of the effect.  This is a simple explanation but I was trying to show how a buffered bypass would be different from a separate buffer pedal.

Maybe you could try a buffered bypass loop pedal.  Does anyone make those?

[Lbzg]

ok, do you have some links of buffered bypass mod or what it is and how to build one...and maybe some advice would it even help or do something to the sound...

[Bill Mountain]

I'm not sure of a mod but maybe you could buy or build a buffered loop pedal.  I've never built one but if you can't find anything maybe we could whip up a schematic.

[Tony Forestiere]

http://proguitarshop.com/empress-buffer.html

[Bill Mountain]

http://proguitarshop.com/empress-buffer.html

I don't see a way to switch the loop in and out of the circuit.  It's close but not exactly what I was describing.

[aron]

One of the pedals you said that popped was a TS9 clone (I think). I believe that has a buffer unless the version you built took out the buffering.

[Lbzg]

One of the pedals you said that popped was a TS9 clone (I think). I believe that has a buffer unless the version you built took out the buffering.

Yes, ts9 clone. how to take out buffering? what are you saying?