stupid pedal trick,,,,faking sitar sounds

[pinkjimiphoton]

[armdnrdy]

Not bad.

Now you have to set up a mike and hum through one of your many fuzz boxes to fake the drone strings. 

[Mark Hammer]

Nice.  I can almost smell the joss sticks, and see the rug.

[pinkjimiphoton]

thanks bros. i'll try and get one with the proper delay setup... tho i think straight ousb may be the most realistic..

i guess where there's a will, there's a way.

first up, a word about the pedals used. normally, i use the delay in my old boss be5 set to self oscillate as a drone in whatever key i want by using the shortest delay setting, very wet and then bringing up the feedback till it starts to self oscillate. then i "tune" the drone with the delay time knob until it's  in tune, usually with my e or a strings.
today, i used a memory toy, which doesn't work so well unless plugged into a wart... the boss unit really excells at that, but that'll be a different episode.

the fuzzbox i did an earlier SPT with, called it the purple haze pedal originally it had a fuzzface feeding a guitarpcb TODD overdrive, but i changed it around so it had gus's ousb feeding the fuzzface. didn't like it. so now it's the fuzzface first, the ousb second and sounds and interacts much better.

the fuzzface is a si/ge hybrid with an npn i grabbed out of the junk drawer untested, and an ac 17x ge with about 100hfe. it has a 10k trimmer to tune it, and is pretty much bone stock other than adding a snubber to the si transistor to chill some noise. having some issues with this when the guitar's rolled back i need to figure out.

the ousb i changed the 100k gain pot to 50k, as gus suggested.  i miss the insanity 100k gives, but it's not a sound i'd use much live. this way i can run the level up half way, and barely crack the gain.  the other mods are a tap from  the input of the circuit to the high side of a 50k pot, with a .047 cap to ground from the wiper... a crude tone control, but it works great for taming the upper harmonic fizzies and noise. cutting treble before the octave seems to make for a cleaner sound, and there's plenty of sizzle from the half way point up if ya want. also swapped out the tl082 i had in it for a 5532, which also helped with noise some.
the diodes i used are a pair of ge on each side, an 1n34a and an 1n60 in series.  to my ear, that combo sounded best.

the clone theory was built off of cathexis's vero which i redrew to be a little more clear. last nite i swapped out all the chips from tl082 to 5532, which seemed to help not only some of the noise in the CT, but also seems to have improved it's output to unity, which had been an issue before.

delay here is a cheesy ass eh memory toy

amp a dano hodad...cool little amp. the "reverb"  is the slap echo in the amp.

while by no means perfect, you can get some interesting sitar like sounds... don't try to play chords or double stops, tho power chords and other simple diads can sound great or ring modulated. by playing different intervals simultaneously, you can do some very ring mod-y stuff, but i'm getting off track.

[Striker Amplification]

Nice jimi!!! now where do i get those schematics..........

[pinkjimiphoton]

hi ryan,

the layouts/veros/schems etc are fairly easy to find.

google clone theory project with the search engine, and you'll find a lot of stuff right here on the forum.

all it is is a fuzface , gus smalley's OUSB, clone theory, delay. that's it. you just need a delay that can self oscillate and get really short delay times.

if ya need more than that, gimme a shout bro, and i'll dig ya up some linkies.

[deadastronaut]

i'll have a pilau rice, with keema nan, and a chicken korma please..

[pinkjimiphoton]

thank you for choosing pinkie mart.


want  chips with that? here, or to go? 

[Paul Marossy]

Pretty cool. 

[Jdansti]

Far out!  I closed my eyes while I listened to your video and this is what I saw:




But when I opened them...   

[armdnrdy]

While your eyes were closed I had my way with her in the bedroom! 

[pinkjimiphoton]

i love that commercial on tv lately with that chick playing sitar... "only 173 more bars"....

[DDD]

The best sitar/guitar I've ever heard.
Grand respect!

[pinkjimiphoton]

i'm not worthy, but thank you!

[DougH]

That sounds really good!

I've done similar stuff with other octave-up fuzzes by turning my guitar volume down low- but yours sounds very authentic.

I got a cool drone thing working once, let me know if you want details. It was equipment intensive- involved two guitars and two amps but worked extremely well.

[DougH]

Anoushka?

She is a beautiful lady. There is nothing about that photo I don't love.

[pinkjimiphoton]

doug.... hip us baby!!

[DougH]

doug.... hip us baby!!

I built a sustainer using one of those "turn anything into speaker" transducers. I C-clamped it to the headstock of my squire strat. I split the signal coming out of the guitar: sent one side to a guitar amp, sent the other side to an LM386 amp that drove the transducer. It was the Runoffgroove 386 amp with the push-pull circuit, can't remember the name. Worked really great.

So for doing a drone, like a sitar I did this. Tuned the squire strat guitar to D modal. Set the guitar in a stand and plugged it into an amp. It had the transducer mounted to its headstock. Now here's the trick: I used another guitar to drive the LM386 amp. I split its signal, ran one side to the LM386, the other side to another guitar amp. So you have 2 guitar amps, 2 guitars, and one guitar is driving the other guitar via the LM386 and transducer.

Then I started playing sitar-like licks on the other guitar, and the guitar on the stand start responding to it via the transducer. It hummed right along, reacted really good and sounded beautiful: for about 30 seconds. Then something shorted in my LM386 circuit and fried the chips. I put in 2 replacements and those fried too. It's really weird because I never had a problem with it until I tried this. I never got around to fixing it. I think I'm just going to start with a new perfboard, it is simple enough. But I know the concept does work.

Next thing I wanted to try was plug an oct-up fuzz into the leg going to the guitar amp, for the guitar I was playing, to attempt to really nail the sitar sound with the droning. Like I said it involves a lot of equipment, but it really does work.

[pinkjimiphoton]

that is a great idea, really cool!!

for some reason tho, i keep seeing nigel tufnel playing one guitar with a violin, while kicking the one on the stand...   

[DougH]

that is a great idea, really cool!!

for some reason tho, i keep seeing nigel tufnel playing one guitar with a violin, while kicking the one on the stand...   

Yeah, it's kind of like that, except you don't need to kick the stand.