Help with my fuzz clone

Started by mortem, August 05, 2013, 11:42:54 PM

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duck_arse

^ +1 what smallbear said. your volume pot is wired straight to your output jack, so the bypass won't. a warm and dead battery shows the power wiring is shorting somewhere, too.

^ +1 what I just said!
" I will say no more "

mortem

i unsoldered everything, then i did the breadboard tutorial, measured the voltages and it works, but when i add all the wires it gives me 9v again, please look at my drawing, it's something wrong besides of the volume 2 wiring?

induction

Your diagram is very difficult to follow, and there may be problems that wouldn't show up in a diagram anyway.

Can you post hi-res closeups of your build, including both sides of the board and all of the wiring?

GGBB

Quote from: mortem on August 12, 2013, 02:59:28 PM
i unsoldered everything, then i did the breadboard tutorial, measured the voltages and it works, but when i add all the wires it gives me 9v again, please look at my drawing, it's something wrong besides of the volume 2 wiring?

The problem with looking at the drawing is that we don't know what's at the end of each of the wires off of the drawing.  Other than the unnecessary connection between the output jack tip and the switch lug that connects to lug 2 of the volume pot (which has already been mentioned), there appear to be no problems with the drawing.  Either you made a mistake and have not wired it exactly like the drawing, or there is a problem with the circuit, or you have not connected the wires to the circuit properly.  We can't help with any of that unless you post pics.
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mortem

i will upload some pictures, i have a question, if i unplug the wire that goes from the 9v dc adapter to the input jack and i put the battery on the clip, is there going to be voltage through the circuit?

GGBB

Quote from: mortem on August 12, 2013, 04:22:46 PM
i will upload some pictures, i have a question, if i unplug the wire that goes from the 9v dc adapter to the input jack and i put the battery on the clip, is there going to be voltage through the circuit?

No.  From what I can follow in your drawing, the battery -ve is grounded to the DC jack, which is in turn grounded to the input jack ring.  If you remove the ground connection from the DC jack to the input jack ring, the battery -ve is no longer grounded.  And in case it hasn't been mentioned yet, make sure you are using the right terminals on the DC jack for each connection.
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mortem

well, i found some problems with the polarity of the components, can someone give me the correct voltages for measuring the components please?

mortem

measured voltages again

battery = 9.41v

Q1
C = 8.86v
B = 0.29v
E = 0.67v

Q2
C= 0
B= 0.66
E= 0.66

D1
A (anode, the non-band end) = 9.20
K (cathode, the banded end) = 8.86

LucifersTrip

Quote from: mortem on August 12, 2013, 10:32:42 PM
well, i found some problems with the polarity of the components, can someone give me the correct voltages for measuring the components please?

voltages should be negative if using pnp schematic as you linked.
http://fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com/fuzzface/fuzzfacepnpschematic.gif

since you used silicon 2N4920, the 470 should probably be 330, but that has nothing to do with your problem.

from ggg:

Q1
Collector
-1.4v
Base
-0.6v
Emitter
0.0v
Q2
Collector
-4.5v
Base
-1.4v
Emitter
-0.8v
always think outside the box

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Quote from: LucifersTrip on August 13, 2013, 05:00:25 AM
voltages should be negative if using pnp schematic as you linked.
http://fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com/fuzzface/fuzzfacepnpschematic.gif

PNP?!! (missed that  :icon_redface:).  Your battery polarity is reversed.  Also check that your power supply is the correct polarity and that you have wired your DC jack properly.
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duck_arse

I'd be inclined to drop all the dc jack wiring and ring-to-sleeve power wiring. connect a battery clip direct to your circuit board, w/ red to GROUND and black to the junction of the 470R and 33k. then measure yr voltages, with the black lead of your meter connected to ground, and you should get all minus (-0.00V) voltages.

should. don't forget your in and out socket ground connections.
" I will say no more "

mortem

now i'm getting this values

Q1
Collector
-0.67v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
0.0v
Q2
Collector
-2.04v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
-1.48v

what do i need to check or change?

GGBB

Quote from: mortem on August 13, 2013, 04:25:39 PM
now i'm getting this values

Q1
Collector
-0.67v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
0.0v
Q2
Collector
-2.04v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
-1.48v

what do i need to check or change?

Better.  Are you getting any sound?  Is the LED okay?
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mortem

Quote from: GGBB on August 13, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: mortem on August 13, 2013, 04:25:39 PM
now i'm getting this values

Q1
Collector
-0.67v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
0.0v
Q2
Collector
-2.04v
Base
-0.66v
Emitter
-1.48v

what do i need to check or change?

Better.  Are you getting any sound?  Is the LED okay?

i only have the pcb components plugged to the battery, should i plug everything else and test it or do i need to change some voltage?

GGBB

The fuzz pot needs to be connected in order to get the right voltages.  As long as the battery isn't heating up anymore, go ahead and test the whole thing.
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mortem

i have a problem, now when i plug everything, even the bypass is not working, but if i touch only the sleeve of the input with the jack of the guitar it works, also the led does nothing

mortem

i checked everything, now it works on bypass and the led is on, but still not getting any sound out of it, everything is plugged right, should i change some resistor or even the transistors?

GGBB

#37
It is unlikely that any of the resistors are the problem - unless you have used the wrong resistor in the wrong place - but check that none of them look burnt.  Because of the reverse voltage problem, it is possible that one or both of the caps is shot - so I'd start by checking/replacing those.  Make sure you orient them according to the PNP diagram on the Fuzz Central page.  Because you do have voltages that aren't completely out of whack, I would guess that the transistors are okay.  Beyond caps, it might be transistors, but it could also be soldering, connections, etc.  We can only help you there if you post clear close-up pics of both sides of your board and the connections.
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mortem

i took a rest of the project but now i'm back, i tested the caps with my multimeter and the method two of this tutorial http://www.electricaltechnology.org/2013/06/how-to-check-capacitor-with-digital.html two of them works but the other marks 0.8, is that the problem?

mortem

the fuzz sounded very bad and i decided to buy new transistors, i bought a couple of 2n2222a but the problem is that i don't know how to make this http://fuzzcentral.ssguitar.com/fuzzface/fuzzfacelayout.png npn instead of pnp, can someone help me please?