Tayda Flanger????

Started by Canucker, January 30, 2014, 09:37:02 PM

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Canucker

are there any Flangers that can be built using parts available at Tayda? I don't want to have to order stuff from a bunch of different places...always a pain...especially if your in Canada. Thanks!

Scruffie

As far as i'm aware, the only part they'd be missing is the BBD... that you'd have to order from smallbear or risk fakes.

If you get that you can build an electric mistress, A/DA, MXR-117 or other.

Oh and a C taper pot, but you could grab that from smallbear at the same time as the BBD.

Canucker

Yeah I started with an Electric Mistress in mind and apparently I knew what to look for first cus I crossed out that idea in about two minutes....if I order from two places I could probably make anything out there. I was just trying to avoid that. I thought a flanger would be a nice new challenge...I'm all fuzzed/distortioned/overdriven out and since I got my smallclone chorus working nicely I wanted to give another trickier project a go so flanger was the first thing to come to mind. Thanks for the input.

Scruffie

I can't think of anyone that carries the whole lot cheaply really... anywhere you got the BBD from you would probably make up the costs ordering from one of the Asian component suppliers.

Analog delay devices just aren't cheap.

How about a phaser if you're all fuzzed out? You can get everything from Tayda.

Canucker

I did smallbear and tayda for my smallclone parts.... which phaser would you recommend that can be built from Tayda parts?

psychedelicfish

Quote from: Scruffie on January 30, 2014, 10:25:25 PM
Oh and a C taper pot, but you could grab that from smallbear at the same time as the BBD.
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/potentiometer-variable-resistors/rotary-potentiometer/anti-log-reverse.html

It is possible to make a flanger from Tayda parts. Don't forget that flanging can be done with any delay line, not just BBDs. I've read about PT2399s being used for flanging (I think Merlin did some work?). The trick is to modulate the difference in delay times between two PT2399s, since one PT2399 can't really get delay times short enough for flanging (You can get near short enough by running them at higher supply voltages, but the max they're rated for is 6.5V).

So basically, yes, it is possible to build a flanger using only parts from Tayda, but there aren't any proper designs yet.
If at first you don't succeed... use bigger transistors!

alanp

The only phaser where you couldn't source the lot would be any optical one that uses a different LDR range to the Tayda model LDR. That, and ones that don't fit in BB cases.

pinkjimiphoton

you can get small clone-ish boards at guitarpcb.com and tested mn3007's at a fair price. i would imagine the clone could be converted to a flanger with just a couple small component changes.
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Scruffie

Quote from: psychedelicfish on January 30, 2014, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: Scruffie on January 30, 2014, 10:25:25 PM
Oh and a C taper pot, but you could grab that from smallbear at the same time as the BBD.
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/potentiometer-variable-resistors/rotary-potentiometer/anti-log-reverse.html

It is possible to make a flanger from Tayda parts. Don't forget that flanging can be done with any delay line, not just BBDs. I've read about PT2399s being used for flanging (I think Merlin did some work?). The trick is to modulate the difference in delay times between two PT2399s, since one PT2399 can't really get delay times short enough for flanging (You can get near short enough by running them at higher supply voltages, but the max they're rated for is 6.5V).

So basically, yes, it is possible to build a flanger using only parts from Tayda, but there aren't any proper designs yet.
Oops, so you can get C taper pots, I did hedge but couldn't remember.

All right if we're being pedantic yes you can build a flanger from Tayda parts... not a very good one though and not anything available in a project... in that case any parts supplier that offers FETs you can... you're just going to need 128 P-Channels (ish) to make your own MN3006 BBD  :icon_rolleyes:

Canucker

128? What size of box should I build that project in?  :P I'm not much of a designer as I don't have any formal electronics training...I'm good at etching, soldering, doing the fine work and dreaming big....so pretty much the hands on stuff. So I'm thinking find a phaser to build and then make it pretty....save the flanger for down the road when I order from Smallbear again. Which phasers are the favorites?

Scruffie

Quote from: Canucker on January 31, 2014, 12:39:25 PM
128? What size of box should I build that project in?  :P I'm not much of a designer as I don't have any formal electronics training...I'm good at etching, soldering, doing the fine work and dreaming big....so pretty much the hands on stuff. So I'm thinking find a phaser to build and then make it pretty....save the flanger for down the road when I order from Smallbear again. Which phasers are the favorites?
128? I'm sure you can get that in a 1590D...  :P

Hmm, well the big favourites are FET based, Phase 45 & 90, does mean buying quite a few FETs to match though.

You can use OTAs so they LM13600 or 13700, the main project out for those is the Causality IV Phaser on this forum designed by Rick Holt or the tonepad ROSS phaser, if you wait a bit there's a V1 Small Stone project coming out soon too. Oh and on the madbean forum he has PCBs for the Maestro Stage Phaser.

Optical... there's a project for the Mutron Phase II on the madbean forum, you can use the tayda LDRs for that.

CMOS madbean is in the process of prototyping EHX bad stone phaser PCBs or there's a project on topopiccione to etch your own.

There's others but those are the ones that come to mind.

psychedelicfish

Quote from: Scruffie on January 31, 2014, 12:49:02 PM
Hmm, well the big favourites are FET based, Phase 45 & 90, does mean buying quite a few FETs to match though.

You can use OTAs so they LM13600 or 13700, the main project out for those is the Causality IV Phaser on this forum designed by Rick Holt or the tonepad ROSS phaser, if you wait a bit there's a V1 Small Stone project coming out soon too. Oh and on the madbean forum he has PCBs for the Maestro Stage Phaser.

Optical... there's a project for the Mutron Phase II on the madbean forum, you can use the tayda LDRs for that.

CMOS madbean is in the process of prototyping EHX bad stone phaser PCBs or there's a project on topopiccione to etch your own.

Don't forget PWM phasers... google comes up with a few designs. I think RG has a PWM phaser design somewhere...
If at first you don't succeed... use bigger transistors!

Scruffie

Quote from: psychedelicfish on January 31, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: Scruffie on January 31, 2014, 12:49:02 PM
Hmm, well the big favourites are FET based, Phase 45 & 90, does mean buying quite a few FETs to match though.

You can use OTAs so they LM13600 or 13700, the main project out for those is the Causality IV Phaser on this forum designed by Rick Holt or the tonepad ROSS phaser, if you wait a bit there's a V1 Small Stone project coming out soon too. Oh and on the madbean forum he has PCBs for the Maestro Stage Phaser.

Optical... there's a project for the Mutron Phase II on the madbean forum, you can use the tayda LDRs for that.

CMOS madbean is in the process of prototyping EHX bad stone phaser PCBs or there's a project on topopiccione to etch your own.

Don't forget PWM phasers... google comes up with a few designs. I think RG has a PWM phaser design somewhere...
I did think of the final phase but there's no project for that (yet  ;) ) but couldn't think of any that had confirmed projects.