Debugging Ruby Amp

Started by mvotre, August 26, 2015, 10:01:51 AM

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mvotre

sorry for the trouble folks. Tried my best to found the errors myself, but I'm a complete retard regarding electronic schematics (but the plan is to learn how everything works for later projects).

So, I tried a long time ago to build a Ruby. But my soldering was horrible at best. Really dirty pieces and soldering iron, so it was a mess. A few time ago, I got a faulty pot on my guitar (modded by a luthier), and I decided to fix it myself. So, after a LOT of time cleaning the tip of the iron with a wet sponge, solder bliss. Everything flows just fine. So I decided to retry a amp build.

Build in perfboard, following the layout on ROG site http://www.runoffgroove.com/ruby.html

IC and Fet are soldered to sockets. I measured a lot of things, wich shows

IC:
pin 1 and 8 - I leave open. When they say open, it's really open, right? Like soldered to nothing? That's how mine is right now
pin 2  - 0V
pin 3 and 4 - ground
pin 5 - 4,26V
pin 6 - power input - 8,8V
pin 7 - 4,37v

FET
Gate - 8,8V
Source - 0,03v
Drain - 0v

Positive of 100uf cap - 8,8V
Positive of 220 uf cap - 4,26V
Negative of 220uf cap - 0,08v

modifications to the original circuit: I leave pin 1 and 8 open, and put a small 0,001uf cap between lugs 2 and 3 of the pot. But with the original 10k volume pot of the schematic.

Right now I got just noise. The humming for a amp getting interference. The noise changes (reduce) when I turn the volume knob. I just can't get any sound...

thanks in advance, and if you guys need any other measuring, just ask and I will do it ASAP.
also, sorry for some english errors you may find. Not a native speaker  :P

anotherjim

Are you sure FET voltages you show are correctly identified? Gate volts should read much, much lower (closer to 0V) and source and drain each somewhere 3-6 volt. Make sure you've identified the gate terminal of your FET correctly. You can get away with having the source & drain swapped over.

386 pin volts all look ok. If you disconnect the wire to vol pot lug 2 and use that wire for your input, you should get sound from the 386, although quieter without the FET stage.

mvotre

well, first things firts.

THANKS! It worked it you "hack". And by the way, it's in a nice volume for my use. Besides, pluggin my distortion in front of it, things get louder, and surprisingly (?) clean. Damn nice!

BUT, I want to make the thing work properly, so I need to figure out that FET. The sad story is: when I tried to build my Ruby in the past, I tried on a breadboard (wich I stupidly gave away), and I remember that after lots of tries building and rebuilding from scratch, I got sound, messing with the jumpers, in a "wrong" use of the fet pins. I got a MPF102, and used the online resource as found here:



and it give the results I posted. It's possible to have a fet with diferent pin out? How can I test the fet in other positions without risking burning it? By the way, since I remembered the mismatched with the first fet (bought at the same store), I soldered a socket in my board, just so I can mess with it  :P will try to found something and post results.

anotherjim

You measured supply volts on your Gate, so I was wondering if you have got it mixed up. The input goes to the gate. Drain connects to supply +, Source to 3k9 resistor...

Apparently you can get components with different pin-outs. You can identify the Gate easily with your multimeter. See RG's answer here...
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=76438.0


mvotre

yeah, now I see. Sorry for that.

Anyway, will try too measure. But before I read your answer, I was making some pictures with descriptions.





sorry for the ugly job. First one, after all  :P

mvotre

PS: trying the test (if I undestood correctly), my pins are in the correct position, and everything should work as expected  :'(