2nd stage preamp and power supply

Started by preciousmolina666, September 02, 2015, 09:55:15 PM

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preciousmolina666

1) in my schematic im going to use 2 single chip, How to proper supply them using regulated 18v bipolar supply,  what value of electrolytic should i use? should i add 100ohm? how many amphere it need?

2) Is my 2nd stage ok? feeding 6v input and output  will be 15v

Schematic:
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I hate noise...

preciousmolina666

Found this on internet

QuoteProper supply decoupling (omitted for clarity) is necessary. Parallel
combination of large electrolytic cap 470uF with 22uF tantalum and several 100nF ceramic
in every supply with serial resistor 47-100 Ohm is recommended
I hate noise...

Brisance

you have your negative supply the wrong way.

antonis

Quote from: preciousmolina666 on September 03, 2015, 02:10:46 AM
Found this on internet
QuoteProper supply decoupling (omitted for clarity) is necessary. Parallel
combination of large electrolytic cap 470uF with 22uF tantalum and several 100nF ceramic
in every supply with serial resistor 47-100 Ohm is recommended
It's definately right...
(although I don't like tantalum caps.. :icon_wink:)

I think that serial resistors in every supply connection is an overkill (but ensure IC's long healthy life..) - just place 100nF ceramics (disk) as close as possible to IC's Vcc and Vee (one leg to supply pin and other leg to GND)

I can't open your dropbox scheme so I can't tell you about your current need but ONE 47-100R resistor in series with individual supply voltage (one for Vcc and one for Vee) should be OK..

P.S 
By "18V bipolar" do you mean +18/0/-18 or +9/0/-9 ...???
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preciousmolina666

QuoteP.S 
By "18V bipolar" do you mean +18/0/-18 or +9/0/-9 ...???
+18/0/-18
i hope the link is working now
I hate noise...

antonis

#5
It works but I can't see why Brisance noticed wrong negative supply...???

Instead I can notice some mistakes at your "labels"...
(like C2+Rf Low Pass & C1+R1 Low Cut - probably due to anagram..)

On your scheme there are 3 different filters: C4/Rf LP, C3/P2+Rg HP & C6/R1 HP..

IMO, values of R1/C6 & P2+Rg/C3 must be recalculated...
(not for actual cut-off frequensies - that's a matter of taste...)

edit: You should "isolate" stages with a capacitor and place a 1k resistor on OP1 output..
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

preciousmolina666

QuoteOn your scheme there are 3 different filters: C4/Rf LP, C3/P2+Rg HP & C6/R1 H
oh the pots involve in Highpass/lowcut, thanks

QuoteIMO, values of R1/C6 & P2+Rg/C3 must be recalculated...
i dont what u mean recalculate, my input source is 500r mic
I hate noise...

antonis

#7
I'm talking from economy (price & size) side...

You can pass from big electro to smaller (or even non polarized) caps, saving space and money...
(resistors keep their size and price despite of their value - as long as are rated at the same wattage..)

Generaly, you tend to use relatively low value resistors and this results in excessive current and signal loss - in contrast of course to thermal noise..
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

preciousmolina666

QuoteYou should "isolate" stages with a capacitor and place a 1k resistor on OP1 output
my spice said my signal to noise was raise, i think im gonna put 10k, what this do? protection?

QuoteGeneraly, you tend to use relatively low value resistors and this results in excessive current and signal loss in contrast of course to thermal noise
i thought using low value is to minimize noise and i want my signal to noise low, now im confuse :-\
I hate noise...

antonis

#9
Quote from: preciousmolina666 on September 03, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
my spice said my signal to noise was raise, i think im gonna put 10k, what this do? protection?
Your spice doesn't care neither about DC "leakage" nor about OpAmp's Output current capability.. :icon_wink:

Quote from: preciousmolina666 on September 03, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
i thought using low value is to minimize noise and i want my signal to noise low, now im confuse :-\

Gap between Theory and Practice is always confusing.. :icon_wink:
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

antonis

Don't get my  :icon_wink: wrong...

I'm not the appropriate guy for an in-deph explanation - neither my language nor my electronics knowledge skills help me... :-[
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

preciousmolina666

QuoteYour spice doesn't care neither about DC "leakage" nor about OpAmp's Output current capability
i see :(

Can someone edit schematic that run low noise  :icon_rolleyes:
I hate noise...