TC Electronic Preamp problem

Started by KipDeluxe, September 24, 2015, 02:04:07 AM

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KipDeluxe

Project: TC Electronic Integrated Preamp

Source: http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/slackers-stuff/tcpreboardfinal.jpg.html

Admissions: I have followed this exact layout, except for having spare columns for the first and last column to make some room for connections (so the board is a little bit wider)

Parts:
I have used the 47K pots and the values as shown in brackets.
P1 and P2 don't have the shown slope: linear instead of neglog.
Q2 is a BC550C
I have used an IC socket for IC1.
Power source is a 24VDC adapter.

Problem:
I have a guitar plugged into the input jack, and output connected to amplifier.
When I engage power, with a slight powerup delay, there is about 0.2 to 0.5 seconds of sound before all sound is gone.
When disengaging power, after 8 seconds I can hear a soft thump.
In the short period that it produces sound, there is no distortion and it sounds good.
But I would like to use the preamp longer than 0.3 seconds at a time  :P

Measurements:
Plug inserted into input. Adapter 24VDC on. Black meter lead to output sleeve:
Reading of meter when red lead touches:

Adapter Red: 24.2 V
Adapter Black: 0.0 V

IC1
1 = 0.0 V
2 = 23.6 V
3 = 21.2 V
4 = 0.0 V
5 = 0.0 V
6 = 0.0 V
7 = 24.2 V
8 = 0.0 V

Q1
C = 2.5 V
B = -0.3 V
E = 0.0 V

Q2
C = 23.7 V
B = 14.9 V
E = 21.0 V

D1
A = 0.0 V
K = 24.2 V

D2
A = -0.6 V
K = -0.3 V

D3
A = -0.3 V
K = 0.0 V

I know there definately is a problem.
But I can't figure out where  :(
Is someone able to help me?

digi2t

#1
Which IC are you using? When I built mine, I had to be careful which IC I used for the 24v supply voltage. Is the IC getting hot while it's powered?

Here's my layout; http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/digi2t/veros/TC_preamp/TC+Preamp+vero.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Slightly different, only because I wanted to incorporate the mounting holes. I've built two though, and they both work perfectly. The original units used the LM741CN, which had a supply voltage rating up to 36v. I used a CA741T, which can go up to 44v. I think the max voltage TC spec'd for use with the preamp is 32v, which makes sense for the LM741.

EDIT: I just noticed on slackers vero, there's no indication as to which is the IC's pin 1. Could your IC be in backwards? Just spitballin'  :icon_rolleyes:
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KipDeluxe

I use the recommended IC, the LM741.
It's getting a bit warm, but nothing it shouldn't be able to handle.
It's positioned so that when looking at the layout I used, the half circle and dot cutouts on the IC are at the top.
pin 1 is top left, pin 4 bottom left, pin 5 bottom right, pin 8 top right.
It's true there is no indication, so I looked up the LM741 pin usage to mount it correctly :P

duck_arse

I'd guess you're missing a bias voltage for the opamp inputs. can you show us a circuit, please?
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slacker

From your voltages it looks like the feedback loop from pin 6 of the opamp, through the 220k resistor (R10) to the emitter of Q2 is broken or dodgy, check all the solder joints in that part of the circuit.

KipDeluxe

Thank you very very much!!
I've found the problem!!
When I was tugging the jumper (from pin 6 to R10) a bit harder, I pulled the jumper and with it the whole copper bar from the board!! :icon_lol:

To fix it easily and quickly, I made direct connections between the parts on that line, and now it works perfectly!!  :D

Thanks again!!  ;D

digi2t

Great news! 8)

Enjoy it. I have two of them on my board. They're fantastic.
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slacker

Cool, good to hear you got it working. Think I might have a go at building one.

duck_arse

but now you have to post your working voltages. and good work.
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