Learning the given value for a bias resistor(jfets) off board

Started by Doctor Algernop, March 20, 2017, 10:08:37 AM

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Doctor Algernop

This may be a stupid question but I've used the search feature for awhile looking for a layout of something that will allow me to test the particular bias resistor needed for my fet's off board that way when I solder them into place I don't require sockets or trimmers for biasing
I'm one duck lipped selfie away from choking a b!tch

EBK

I'm wondering if the answer to your question is simply a solderless breadboard.  Good way to test out and tweak just about anything before soldering.
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jubal81

Quote from: EBK on March 20, 2017, 11:55:36 AM
I'm wondering if the answer to your question is simply a solderless breadboard.  Good way to test out and tweak just about anything before soldering.

+1

Just build up the stage on the breadboard, dial it in, then transfer the parts to your PCB for soldering.

$4.95 for this small one - great for quick testing little things.

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12002


Frank_NH

I was going to suggest building a JFET tester to determine Idss and Vp for your specific part, but Jubal81 is right.  Just get a small breadboard and test it there.  Shouldn't take too long to find a resistor which biases you JFET.  Make sure to label the parts so there's no mix up later when you solder them in !   ::)

R.G.

R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.

EBK

Quote from: R.G. on March 22, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
pogo pins
R.G., I fear that you are being a bit too cryptic (for me, at least).  I know what pogo pins are, but just what are you suggesting that our dear doctor should do with them?   :icon_confused:
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duck_arse

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bluebunny

Quote from: duck_arse on March 23, 2017, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: R.G. on March 22, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
pogo pins

I searched - still no idea what or how.

This.  (Hadn't heard of it either...  Perhaps I ought to have done: I worked for Cray in a previous life.)
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Ohm's Law - much like Coles Law, but with less cabbage...

EBK

Yes, yes, but I'm still unable to see the connection (no pun intended). Please enlighten me.  What do pogo pins have to do with this?

Quotelooking for a layout of something that will allow me to test the particular bias resistor needed for my fet's off board that way when I solder them into place I don't require sockets or trimmers for biasing
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antonis

Quote from: Doctor Algernop on March 20, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
This may be a stupid question but I've used the search feature for awhile looking for a layout of something that will allow me to test the particular bias resistor needed for my fet's off board that way when I solder them into place I don't require sockets or trimmers for biasing
Solderable male nail pin connectors..!!
(there aren't neither sockets nor trimmers..)  :icon_wink:
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

EBK

Quote from: antonis on March 24, 2017, 07:32:11 AM
Quote from: Doctor Algernop on March 20, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
This may be a stupid question but I've used the search feature for awhile looking for a layout of something that will allow me to test the particular bias resistor needed for my fet's off board that way when I solder them into place I don't require sockets or trimmers for biasing
Solderable male nail pin connectors..!!
(there aren't neither sockets nor trimmers..)  :icon_wink:
That's what I was thinking too.  It meets the negative requirements, but so does a water balloon.
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antonis

Risk management for accidents due to loose parts in relation with conductivity leads to use of water balloons...
"I'm getting older while being taught all the time" Solon the Athenian..
"I don't mind  being taught all the time but I do mind a lot getting old" Antonis the Thessalonian..

Frank_NH

Back to the OPs question, if you're talking about a "standard" common source JFET gain stage, you can calculate the bias and required resistors pretty accurately (I have a spreadsheet which does this), BUT you need to know the actual Idss and Vp for your JFET.  Given the wide range of Idss and Vp variation for a given type like a J201, there is no substitute for measuring.  You can build a simple JFET tester pretty easily (for example, http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/2012/07/greatly-improved-jfet-matcher.html), and test all your JFETs and organize them in individual plastic bags with their Idss and Vp recorded.  Yeah, it's a bit of work, but...

If you don't like all of this fussing around, then use op amps... :icon_biggrin: