Sore Back From Soldering?

Started by steveyraff, September 13, 2018, 06:51:12 AM

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bluebunny

Quote from: mth5044 on September 14, 2018, 02:36:08 AM
I set a 50 minute timer  my phone. Whenever it goes off, restart the timer

Put the timer out of reach or in another room.   :icon_mrgreen:
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Elektrojänis

Quote from: Mark Hammer on September 13, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
provide yourself with prompts, reminders, and opportunities to change your body position regularly,

As many others, I think this is one of the most important things... I've heard several "ergonomics people" (doctors, nurses and other people educated in the ergonomics topic) say: "The best working posture is always the next one." After that they usually explain that it is best if you can change your body position regularly.

Quote from: FUZZZZzzzz on September 13, 2018, 10:57:38 AM


One thing to remember about those is that they work best if you can set it relatively high so you are almost standing when you sitting on it... That means you need to have your working surface fairly high too. I've also heard recommendations to have two different chairs/stools and change between those periodically, but that get's you another problem/need. You need a working surface that can be easily adjusted in height so you can change that too when changing the chair.

marcelomd

Quote from: Elektrojänis on September 14, 2018, 06:24:35 AM
You need a working surface that can be easily adjusted in height so you can change that too when changing the chair.

I can't remember any names now, but there are a few companies making motorized height adjustable desks. Found them while looking for standing desks.

stallik

Been using a sprung stool for years and find it forces me to adopt a better posture. Never gives me backache even after very long sessions. I also tend to lean my arms on the workbench which vastly reduces the strain on my spine.
I take regular short breaks looking for things I've dropped which gives my arse a bit of time for the blood to return...
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

mth5044

Quote from: bluebunny on September 14, 2018, 04:00:35 AM
Quote from: mth5044 on September 14, 2018, 02:36:08 AM
I set a 50 minute timer  my phone. Whenever it goes off, restart the timer

Put the timer out of reach or in another room.   :icon_mrgreen:

My phone out of reach???!?????!??!??!?!?!?!???!!!!

stonerbox

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Quote from: steveyraff on September 13, 2018, 06:51:12 AM
Hey guys,

I pretty much build pedals every day now. Sometimes I'm at the workbench for a couple of hours in the evening, other days I might be there up to 12 hours.

I'd like to hear about other peoples workbench set ups? I think I need to stop using a standard office-style desk. I often lean in to look closely with what I am working with. I think it means my posture is hunched over, no matter how much I try to straighten the back of my chair. I'm thinking perhaps if I have a raised bench so that the circuit I'm working on is closer to eye level?

It's getting to the point that after soldering for a while, I have to lay on the floor to try to ease my back - and lately I've been waking up in the morning with a really sore back in bed. I know its directly because of soldering. So my technique is obviously very wrong.

Does anyone else have this problem, and more importantly, does anyone have suggestions to improve my posture/technique and help prevent my back getting worse?

Thanks.

I'm going to suggest something that you probably do not have "time" for or are willing to do but is guaranteed to change your situation.

1. Start working out 2 times a week, hell maybe even 3. Buy a basic barbell + some weights and start building stronger shoulders and a stronger back (especially lower back). Start with low weight and do movements slow in order to prevent damage when you are starting out.
2. Adjust the work height so you can sit perhaps not perfect but at least straighter with your back so the hunching is kept to a minimum.

These two have made all the difference for me. I had a lot of back pain before I started to build supportive muscles for the bones and joints.

By the way what is your sleeping position at night?
There is nothing more to be said or to be done tonight, so hand me over my violin and let us try to forget for half an hour the miserable weather and the still more miserable ways of our fellowmen. - Holmes

Rob Strand

#26
I've found that sitting on chairs/stools without a back actually helps.
You are continually readjusting your position and it stops you slouching in the chair.

Make a conscious effort to sit with a good posture.  After a while it will come naturally.

If your muscles are weak you might find that type of chair causes back pain.
After a while you will adjust.  Probably a good idea to do some light exercise like
walking, which is very good at strengthening various muscles.

There's plenty of info about this on the internet.
Just be careful about getting caught-up in BS pseudo-scientific marketing by chair sellers.

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thermionix

Quote from: stonerbox on September 14, 2018, 07:00:11 PM
Buy a basic barbell + some weights and start building stronger shoulders and a stronger back (especially lower back).

No need to buy anything, for most people at least.  Pushups for the upper back, situps for the lower back.  Full disclosure, I say this as somebody who does neither.

marcelomd

Working out is essential for me. I had problems with herniated discs before, and the only thing that completely solved that was weight training. As long as I'm training regularly, my back is 100% problem free.

Picking heavy stuff from the ground and putting it back as treatment for lower back hernia. Who would have thought?

In my experience (almost 5 years of physiotherapy), for correcting posture, the best thing is something like GPR, pilates or yoga. Keeping a good posture is an isometric effort, so isometric exercises (like pilates/yoga postures) give the most benefit.

bluebunny

In another life, I've done a bit of portrait photography.  I would get people to sit on a fairly tall stool - just around butt height - then get them to perch on the edge with at least one foot on the ground.  This seemed to force good posture in the back (and make for good pictures).  And if they didn't sit up straight, they would fall on the floor.

So perhaps a tall-ish stool (without footrests) with a work surface approaching nipple height (is that a thing?) seems like a good idea.  And I'll vouch for Kevin's method of dropping stuff on the floor every now and again...  ::)
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bartimaeus

I was noticing this problem a couple months ago. I did all the things I see others in the thread mentioning: raised the height of my workbench, lowered my chair a little, and and got a simple magnifying glass. I also force myself to sit with better posture, and talk a short break every hour or two. It's all super simple stuff, but I can work for MUCH longer without any discomfort. YMMV, but for me it went a long way.

steveyraff

Thanks for the suggestions all. Very useful - particularly as I've just moved into a bigger workshop, so it is time to make some changes. Cheers.
Steve.

www.outlandstudios.co.uk

J0K3RX

Sounds like you may need to decompress  :icon_twisted: Ring Dinger should fix it!

Doesn't matter what you did to get it... If it sounds good, then it is good!

EBK

Quote from: J0K3RX on September 21, 2018, 12:00:23 PM
Sounds like you may need to decompress  :icon_twisted: Ring Dinger should fix it!
Did that remind anyone else of the spine rip-out scene in the movie "Predator"?
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amptramp

I hope someone has come up with an answer for this because my lower back is killing me.  The best relief I get is when I stand to solder something.

StephenGiles

You see our bodies are no longer 25 years old but we still feel it inside!!
"I want my meat burned, like St Joan. Bring me pickles and vicious mustards to pierce the tongue like Cardigan's Lancers.".

EBK

Quote from: StephenGiles on September 29, 2018, 08:17:06 AM
You see our bodies are no longer 25 years old but we still feel it inside!!
I somewhat recently turned 40, and I've realized the biggest difference between being 39 and being 40 is that I've never started a sentence with, "Well, I'm 39 now, so I should probably be careful...."

At 39, I did, however, freak myself out at a trampoline park when I was five feet in the air and only then questioned whether I would be lucky enough to avoid a knee injury.   :icon_eek:
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