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Started by snk, September 07, 2019, 04:23:11 AM

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snk

Hello,
I have found a small stock of 4049CN in a drawer, and i was wondering if these could be used in some circuits (I am thinking distorsion pedals like a Red Llama, a Wasp Filter, or other circuits requiring a 4049UBE)?
I know these circuits need an unbuffered version of the chip (UBE), but i can't manage to find if the "CN" version of the 4049 is buffered or unbuffered  :icon_question:

ElectricDruid

Do they have any manufacturer's mark? Knowing who's chip they are might help find the right datasheet to decode the "CN" suffix.

duck_arse

photos! another chance to look at chip pron.
" I will say no more "

snk

Hi,
Thank you for the answer.
I think it is quite old, but i am not sure that it is "old enough to be unbuffered like every old ones"...
The brand logo is like two triangle waves on top of the other.
There is written :
"I8210
CD4049CN
MM56649AN"

I will take a picture, but the writing is quite low contrast, so i am not sure that it will be easier to read.


snk

I managed to get an ok pic  :)



duck_arse

excellent pic.

what you have is a National Semiconductor [NatSemi] chip produced in the 10th week of 1982. the CD and the MM numbers look about right, as do all the other markings for style - but my 1988 natsemi cmos databook doesn't mention the "CN" suffix on any of their parts.

so, no clearer. sacrifice one to a lama circuit - see if it produces distortion [linear, unbuffered] or square-waves [buffered, digital].
" I will say no more "

snk

Quote from: duck_arse on September 07, 2019, 11:21:09 AM
excellent pic.

what you have is a National Semiconductor [NatSemi] chip produced in the 10th week of 1982. the CD and the MM numbers look about right, as do all the other markings for style - but my 1988 natsemi cmos databook doesn't mention the "CN" suffix on any of their parts.
Thank you, Duck Arse !

Quote from: duck_arse on September 07, 2019, 11:21:09 AMso, no clearer. sacrifice one to a lama circuit - see if it produces distortion [linear, unbuffered] or square-waves [buffered, digital].
Ah ah ! You nailed it :) I am actually builing a Red Llama, I am waiting for a 4049UBE to arrive next week, and in the meantime i have found this chip this morning (with some others).
I was wondering if the use of a buffered chip was safe for the circuit, and would either work, not work, or make the circuit behave differently : i have my answer !  :icon_mrgreen:
I will try it this evening, and let you know about it !

snk

Hello,
The Red Llama is finished (and rocking !), and therefore i may confirm that the 4049CN is unbuffered (as i get overdrive tones from my build, not fuzz).  ;)