Help an old guy identify this pcb...

Started by sixstringphil, September 23, 2019, 12:55:19 PM

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sixstringphil

I turned 40 this week and my memory was already bad enough. I was going through some old pedal parts this week and found this little pcb. I believe its just a simple booster, does anybody recognize the layout? The design probably came from this forum years ago when I was active and building. Thanks for looking!






Mark Hammer

The transistor is a J201 FET, and the resistor values are obvious.  But what are the values of the two caps?

sixstringphil


mth5044

That looks like a PCB John Lyons would have made - he had etched me quite a few a long time ago, but the he's the only one I recall getting blue boards from. Not sure if that gets you anywhere.

Kevin Mitchell

Sure does resemble a buffer daughter board.

-KM
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Rob Strand

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At first I though it was a booster but  there's a 1M resistor from the gate to ground and *also* a 1M resistor from the gate to the drain.   That's not a common biasing scheme for a JFET.  I would be thinking MOSFET or BJT but the pinouts look wrong to be those!

So from that I'd say the part under the cap should be a link to +V and it's a buffer.

But there's a problem.  There's a link next to the 3k3 resistor and that shorts output side of the buffer's output cap to ground.  (When I was thinking booster I thought it might be a cap bypassed source resistor.)

So over all it's looking like a buffer with a wrong part on the board.

There's a few other weird things:
- There an isolated divider 47k + 100k.
- A lot of connection points.
- Why is there wire for a direct connection (DC coupled) to the source?

(The board might be layed out for a combination chicken booster and buffer depending on what parts are loaded.)
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According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.

sixstringphil

Quote from: mth5044 on September 23, 2019, 04:21:54 PM
That looks like a PCB John Lyons would have made - he had etched me quite a few a long time ago, but the he's the only one I recall getting blue boards from. Not sure if that gets you anywhere.

While its possible that it was John's design, I etched it myself. I purchased some of the blue pcb from him and was printing my own boards.

Rob Strand

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According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.

GGBB

Looks like:



Quote from: Rob Strand on September 24, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
The circuit might be from here, about 3rd ckt down,
http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm

Yes - very similar:



But the right jumper appears to ground the output - I think that should be a pulldown resistor.

And what's the unconnected 47k/100k divider for? Maybe there's an off-board pot involved for setting/varying Vin to the JFET drain.
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sixstringphil

I was looking back through the gallery and found a pic of a BMP w/ Blend I made for a bass player.


The mystery board is the Buff 'n Blend circuit, and I used the layout from this page...
https://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/BarcodeVeroLayouts/album120/

It worked great in that pedal and he still uses it to this day. If anybody would like this circuit I'd be happy to pass it along for the cost of postage!


Rob Strand

QuoteThe mystery board is the Buff 'n Blend circuit,
Well done.  It had to be something specific like that.
Send:     . .- .-. - .... / - --- / --. --- .-. -
According to the water analogy of electricity, transistor leakage is caused by holes.

GGBB

Quote from: sixstringphil on September 26, 2019, 01:18:27 PM
I was looking back through the gallery and found a pic of a BMP w/ Blend I made for a bass player.


The mystery board is the Buff 'n Blend circuit, and I used the layout from this page...
https://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/BarcodeVeroLayouts/album120/

It worked great in that pedal and he still uses it to this day. If anybody would like this circuit I'd be happy to pass it along for the cost of postage!

Note to buyers - replace the jumper (the one that's not under the cap) with 100k "R4": https://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/BarcodeVeroLayouts/album120/buffnblendPCB.gif.html - if you want it to work.
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sixstringphil

Quote from: GGBB on September 26, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
Note to buyers - replace the jumper (the one that's not under the cap) with 100k "R4": https://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/BarcodeVeroLayouts/album120/buffnblendPCB.gif.html - if you want it to work.

Yeah, that still has me stumped. Not sure why I would have put a jumper there. I'm usually pretty OCD about checking my work. I'll swap it over in case anybody decides they want it. I'm gonna try and get hold of the BMP I built and make sure it was right. I know it worked well so I must have just missed this one.