what effect is this on this live solo ?

[Harry Muff]

the sound evh has on this live solo ? i have several things purchased but nothing sounds like this. i tried a vibe and a chorus is there something else? is it a rotary speaker sound?

I thinks a flanger and a phase 90? and not a vibe or chorus at all ?

[iainpunk]

overdrive -> detune ->  phase 90 -> cranked marshall

i have a ehx pitchfork with a really nice detune option but i believe he uses a whammy pedal on the deep detune setting.

cheers, Iain

[Harry Muff]

right on mate - i just watched a video on the boss harmonizer, 300 usd cheaper than the evantide , and has the T-arm thingy on it...it sounded pretty cool lol but since I floated my bridge (couldnt get it to set at interval but oh well) and used the bent claw trick my strat works like a floyd rose now and I can pull off some nice dives now

I think my quest for a fauz leslie was in eddies tone all along and I never knew it until he passed

I also need an electric mistress or clone now lol

[iainpunk]

eddie used an mxr phase 90 for his phasers sounds, not a chorus/flanger.

cheers, Iain

[willienillie]

Phase 90 in the old days, and maybe the late days as well, but I'm pretty sure he was all rack-mounted at the time in question.  Eventide stuff, Lexicon PCM something, whatever that is.  He did use a flanger quite a bit, and maybe a chorus occasionally, in the original lineup days.

I had forgotten just how sappy VH got during the Hagar period.  I bought that CD (Balance?) and gave it away to a co-worker the next day.  I saw that tour too, my 5th and last time, I was bored as hell.

[Harry Muff]

Phase 90 in the old days, and maybe the late days as well, but I'm pretty sure he was all rack-mounted at the time in question.  Eventide stuff, Lexicon PCM something, whatever that is.  He did use a flanger quite a bit, and maybe a chorus occasionally, in the original lineup days.

I had forgotten just how sappy VH got during the Hagar period.  I bought that CD (Balance?) and gave it away to a co-worker the next day.  I saw that tour too, my 5th and last time, I was bored as hell.

i personally think he peaked as a live player sometime between 84-86 5150 tour and then went pop to sell out and rake, wrote all the music and blamed it on sammy lol .. ed grew up on the dave clark five for goodness sake lol what were you expecting ! his tone and unique playing is never boring lol

him and dimebag were good buddies ..they say dime told his brother van halen when he died, was dimes last words because him and vinnie saw themselves as a young vh to "let it all hang out"

[willienillie]

I stumbled on this a couple weeks ago.  Some gaps missing here and there, but pretty good sound and footage.  His playing is as good as ever IMO, in 1978.  He's got the practice bomb on stage, several Marshall heads, and several Music Man heads.

At around 4:00 he starts "Atomic Punk" and switches between the Phase 90 and MXR flanger (or maybe just leaves the Phase 90 on and toggles the flanger).

[Harry Muff]

youre probably right and the music is way better im a DLR guy trust me - quick fun fact about DLR he was the first to have midgets in the entourage. dude is a legend lol 

i think it was because i was 10 or 11 when saw him play a live solo around 85 and seemed to be in a trans/zone and one with instrument that still sticks with me today ...

could of just been that moment in time

I would imagine it is similar to what it felt like to see bob gibson strike out 17 batters and hit the gw home run to win the world series and be in the crowd way back in the day


I also have a weird fascination with chorus and other modulation effects especially the warbly sea sick watery organy leslie spinning moving stuff in space with motion in all music really

[Harry Muff]

Phase 90 in the old days, and maybe the late days as well, but I'm pretty sure he was all rack-mounted at the time in question.  Eventide stuff, Lexicon PCM something, whatever that is.  He did use a flanger quite a bit, and maybe a chorus occasionally, in the original lineup days.

I had forgotten just how sappy VH got during the Hagar period.  I bought that CD (Balance?) and gave it away to a co-worker the next day.  I saw that tour too, my 5th and last time, I was bored as hell.

the lexicon was a reverb unit

https://www.uberproaudio.com/who-plays-what/93-eddie-van-halens-guitar-gear-rig-and-equipment

[Harry Muff]

edward may have peaked in 2012 lol - i may have to take that cheesy hagar love love love song down 

there it is again ..i cant get that rotary sound into my rig lol ( right now I have a vibe and a chorus and a detune)  ..is it a peal or effect? you say its the detune ? i thought a detune doesnt warble like that ? I bet that its the eventide and it has a rotary speaker patch? been reading about the mobious , by strymon, supposed has this watery roto sound

kws does live at GC on blue on black i think with a rotosphere by hughes kettner?

[willienillie]

I hadn't heard that before.  There's been a demo version of "Bullethead" around for a long time, it might predate the first album.  I always liked "Down in Flames" quite a bit more, several live versions floating around, but they ruined it by turning it into that "Tattoo" single.

I still have no insight into the effect here, in this case it sounds more like multiple combined effects to me, maybe even some wah in there.

On second listen, maybe not wah, but there's kind of a "wiggling foot" feel to it.

[Harry Muff]

its the detune, but have to go high and low .. my boss katana actually this built in. the katana looks like it really does have all the effects in it ..wow.

so I guess you would need a pedal similar to a brainwaves and not a pitchfork.




A Different Kind of Truth is Edward/VH1 tone on steroids

https://www.google.com/search?q=Van+Halen+A+Different+Kind+Of+Truth&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS903US905&oq=van&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l3j69i57j69i60l2j69i61j69i65.2136j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


you can really hear the pitch shifter here in this song, it songs like a digitek whammy

**modified the boss sounds great but on solos thins out and gets a weird spacey reverb/echo thing, its close but its not the leslie ...i think I can dial all that out

**boss ce-2 sounds more like a nice organ to me but freaking awesome on its own lol

[Rob Strand]

the sound evh has on this live solo ? i have several things purchased but nothing sounds like this. i tried a vibe and a chorus is there something else? is it a rotary speaker sound?

I thinks a flanger and a phase 90? and not a vibe or chorus at all ?

When it starts it sure sounds like a Leslie to me.

I found this, about 1/3 the way down, poster SLEEPER5150,

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/archive/index.php/t-44793.html

[Harry Muff]

the sound evh has on this live solo ? i have several things purchased but nothing sounds like this. i tried a vibe and a chorus is there something else? is it a rotary speaker sound?

I thinks a flanger and a phase 90? and not a vibe or chorus at all ?

When it starts it sure sounds like a Leslie to me.

I found this, about 1/3 the way down, poster SLEEPER5150,

http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/archive/index.php/t-44793.html

it has to be..and thanks mate for the link !! knowing edward, and with daves remark in the start of the video, he had a real leslie or a roland. I think had a large rig from the beginning hauling that huge bomb around with all kinds of weird switchers , load things and delay units and cascading  tube amp heads lol

this ce-2 is sounding really organy ..i need to make me a few pedals now as I want my stuff out in front of the amp ..no way im buying a foot switch for the boss lol

I started on my phaser ..im not good at this stuff but really dont have 4-500 bucks to buy stuff i love online ..im determined tho!

[Rob Strand]

it has to be..and thanks mate for the link !! knowing edward, and with daves remark in the start of the video, he had a real leslie or a roland. I think had a large rig from the beginning hauling that huge bomb around with all kinds of weird switchers , load things and delay units and cascading  tube amp heads lol

this ce-2 is sounding really organy ..i need to make me a few pedals now as I want my stuff out in front of the amp ..no way im buying a foot switch for the boss lol

I started on my phaser ..im not good at this stuff but really dont have 4-500 bucks to buy stuff i love online ..im determined tho!

Some years back, maybe 15 years ago,  I stumbled on a VST plug-in which did a Rotary Speaker/Leslie sim.   IIRC it was put out by Yamaha or Korg - one of those larger companies.   It sounded pretty good to me at the time.   I was going to do my own VST plug-in but finding that plug-in demotivated me.

There's a number of Leslie sim circuits around.   The schems were on line.   I can't comment on how convincing they are but some seem to make an effort emulating the acoustics of the Leslie.   

The circuits tend to grow rapidly which was part of the motivation for  doing a DSP version in the form of a VST plug-in.

EDIT:
The VST I was thinking of might have been from AKAI.    Here's a version,

https://www.wwbw.com/Akai-Professional-Rotator-Cab-Simulator-VST-Plug-In-705595.wwbw

However, given so many years have past it could have gone through a number of name changes so I don't know if that was the exact same VST I was playing with.

[DIY Bass]

I have a Line 6 M13 which does a pretty good Leslie (I think anyway)

[Harry Muff]

I can get the boss ce2 patch to sound pretty close to the maestro , its more lush and less phasey. doesnt get as underwater as the sound im seeking

most likely its in my playing skill

[Rob Strand]

I can get the boss ce2 patch to sound pretty close to the maestro , its more lush and less phasey. doesnt get as underwater as the sound im seeking

I suspect a "more correct" LFO would be a sinusoidal waveform whereas the CE2 is triangular.   There's also a slight tremolo effect in the upper frequencies due to the speaker pointing towards or away from the listener.    No doubt the it's small details that edge the sound towards the real thing.      I suspect a small speaker version doesn't quite do it because the tremolo effect is weaken by using a small speaker since it is less directional!

[Harry Muff]

I can get the boss ce2 patch to sound pretty close to the maestro , its more lush and less phasey. doesnt get as underwater as the sound im seeking

I suspect a "more correct" LFO would be a sinusoidal waveform whereas the CE2 is triangular.   There's also a slight tremolo effect in the upper frequencies due to the speaker pointing towards or away from the listener.    No doubt the it's small details that edge the sound towards the real thing.      I suspect a small speaker version doesn't quite do it because the tremolo effect is weaken by using a small speaker since it is less directional!

Rob, what is your opinion on the on beards katana fx? are they the real thing? with smd and boss engineers they have the capability to load this board up like a computer but just how much do they give you?

i am searching around google and the tubes  to see a/b comparison but not seeing too much, I would like nput on the bard members for this one!

the katana is essentially a wet fx cab you could gig with and not need a pedal board. if steve morse can play with 6 setting i can get by with 4 lol ..you need a boss engineer to figure out morses guitar lolol but it basically comes down to 6 essential tones he uses according to him.

[Rob Strand]

Rob, what is your opinion on the on beards katana fx? are they the real thing? with smd and boss engineers they have the capability to load this board up like a computer but just how much do they give you?

I'm not really the guy to ask about the details about specific products since I'm no longer out there playing with this stuff.

In general there's a few levels of how you work with this stuff:
- wire-up basic functions with a GUI and download it to the board
- write code to basic piece together basic functions provided in libraries.
  This requires basic programming skills.
- write you own DSP functions

The first two are pretty easy to handle but the last would raise the bar a bit to much for most people as it's pretty much a lot of mathematics.   When I tinker and explore ideas these days I mostly use the last method since you can do whatever you want.