Breadboard vs Veroboard layout

[Tobyk]

Why does breadboard layout differ from the Veroboard layout?
The breadboard layout is obviously much better – you get predefined power rails, wich you always need anyway. And you get five connections for each component leg, which most of the time is sufficient. In Vero you get the whole length of the board as connection, which is way too much and interferes with the rest of the curcuit, so the need for the ridicolous cuts arises.
Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered? Why are they not used professionally much?

[Tobyk]

Something like this looks good to me for simple pedal circuits. It's called a proto board though. Why could't it be used professionally?

https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/en/adafruit-perma-proto-small-1050

[Focalized]

If you're not making a proper PCB use whatever you want as long as you're able to make solid connections. Vero board is very versitle. Can be cut pretty easily to any size and shape. It's easy to unsolder if you have too. Best for beginners I think and there's countless available layouts and such.

[ElectricDruid]

Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered?

Because you use it for building prototypes? At least, I do.

These days I prefer to develop a circuit on veroboard rather than breadboard because it's more reliable and I'm more sure that if something's not working it's because there's an actual problem rather than just breadboard weirdness which might fix itself tomorrow when I try it again. Once I've got a working design, I'll lay out a PCB, but I generally want to be sure the circuit works first before I make the effort.

Why are they not used professionally much?

They are, or at least, they were. These days everything is SMD in which case veroboard isn't much help.

[amptramp]

Having used breadboards before, I would never use them again.  If terminals are large enough to accept electrolytic capacitors, they will not accept 1/10 W resistors and if the terminals are small enough to accept 1/10 W resistors, they will not fit electrolytic capacitors.  I prefer prototyping boards like this:



You have rows for DIP devices or sockets with 3 terminals for each pin but you can get boards with 4 or 5 terminals per pin.  The lines under the DIP socket would be used for power and ground and decoupling caps.  The one in the diagram has a connector space at the top.

[Tobyk]

Thanks for your input guys. I still feel the breadboard layout style is superior to Vero/stripboard. And I never liked proper PCB's, too clinical.

[Focalized]

Just an alternative way is to adapt a verified vero layout to single through hole perf board. Using the component leads for the horizontal paths. Jumper paths above or underneath. Soldering only the leads like point to point making it easy to swap parts. 

[ElectricDruid]

As Ron mentioned, you can get Vero/stripboards with a "breadboard" layout, so you don't have to choose one or the other, you can have both!

I think the idea is that you can transfer a design direct from the breadboard to a more permanent home, but there's no reason why you can't start there too.

[Phend]

Phase 90 ,  certainly not as neat as a pcb, but it works for me.
But for circuit like the 90 you may need a bigger board, air is cheap.
I have fun doing the layout,  quite a few jumpers.
The pros could take one and fit it into an A size box.
Wife says you can fit an a size into a d, but not a d into an a. 
The tracks can be cut, although I haven't done that.



ElectroCookie Solderable Breadboard PCB Double Column Board for Electronics Projects Compatible for DIY Arduino Soldering Projects, Gold-Plated (3 Pack, Blue) https://a.co/d/25qbaYo

[amptramp]

There used to be a product called X-Y board which was a double-sided veroboard with strips on both sides that were at right angles to each other.  We had one engineer who would only use X-Y board.  You have to be capable of thinking in two dimensions for layout, but he could do it.  If you have an excess of sanity, this would cure that.

[PRR]

Ray Dolby did this to prototype Dolby SR to make tape a high-fidelity medium.



Obviously once he had it working he re-did it as for-purpose PCB so users would not be shocked.

But if you don't like this stuff, and your boss is not forcing you, don't use it.

[ElectricDruid]

Oooh, that's filthy!!

[Phend]

Always warn your wife about your latest diy build.

[Eddododo]

Why does breadboard layout differ from the Veroboard layout?
The breadboard layout is obviously much better – you get predefined power rails, wich you always need anyway. And you get five connections for each component leg, which most of the time is sufficient. In Vero you get the whole length of the board as connection, which is way too much and interferes with the rest of the curcuit, so the need for the ridicolous cuts arises.
Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered? Why are they not used professionally much?

A lot of the breadboard layout boards above and similar are very nice... They saw well, they have a nice weight to them, they look nice, highly recommend. I also found one on amazon that's a more narrow form factor; It only has two power buses, Which it moves to a center position between the opposing sides. It's not always the most ideal, but I have found it extremely convenient on the number of occasions, especially when space is an issue.

[Tobyk]

Why does breadboard layout differ from the Veroboard layout?
The breadboard layout is obviously much better – you get predefined power rails, wich you always need anyway. And you get five connections for each component leg, which most of the time is sufficient. In Vero you get the whole length of the board as connection, which is way too much and interferes with the rest of the curcuit, so the need for the ridicolous cuts arises.
Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered? Why are they not used professionally much?

A lot of the breadboard layout boards above and similar are very nice... They saw well, they have a nice weight to them, they look nice, highly recommend. I also found one on amazon that's a more narrow form factor; It only has two power buses, Which it moves to a center position between the opposing sides. It's not always the most ideal, but I have found it extremely convenient on the number of occasions, especially when space is an issue.

Could you please link to this Amazon board?

[fryingpan]

Why does breadboard layout differ from the Veroboard layout?
The breadboard layout is obviously much better – you get predefined power rails, wich you always need anyway. And you get five connections for each component leg, which most of the time is sufficient. In Vero you get the whole length of the board as connection, which is way too much and interferes with the rest of the curcuit, so the need for the ridicolous cuts arises.
Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered? Why are they not used professionally much?

What's so problematic about cutting the strips? I use an old Phillips screwdriver. Works very well.

[Tobyk]

Why does breadboard layout differ from the Veroboard layout?
The breadboard layout is obviously much better – you get predefined power rails, wich you always need anyway. And you get five connections for each component leg, which most of the time is sufficient. In Vero you get the whole length of the board as connection, which is way too much and interferes with the rest of the curcuit, so the need for the ridicolous cuts arises.
Also, why is Veroboard often referred to as 'prototype board', even though they are soldered? Why are they not used professionally much?

What's so problematic about cutting the strips? I use an old Phillips screwdriver. Works very well.

It's just a not very elegant way to do things, based on a non-practical layout. With breadboard layout there's no need for any cuts, since it's better suited for the way a circuit is built.

[FiveseveN]

It's just a not very elegant way to do things

You know what an elegant way to do things is? Proper PCBs.

[Phend]

Unfortunately your average home laser can't deal with copper, else Printing a circuit board would be much easier. It would be a vector job, raster might leave connections.

[FiveseveN]

A quarter through the 21st century we have a bunch of options:

• thermal toner transfer
• solvent toner transfer
• direct printing
• laminates pre-coated with photoresist (or just coat it yourself)
• machining with smol CNCs
• etching (or exposing resist) with lazors
• just drawing traces with a Sharpie

and most important of all,

• fab houses that will make exquisite boards for a few cents each

All are better than prototype boards if your priority is performance.