way huge schematics

[timrand]

Does anybody have any of these schematics they sound very cool

[Samuel]

[MarkB]

You are unlikely to get those.. not sure if anyone has them, but even if they do - they fall into the Z-vex category of 'out of respect, we don't trade those schematics'..

Jeorge hangs around here quite a bit (and has been a HUGE help to us.. pun intended).. so if he asks that his schems are not distributed, they aren't.

Besides.... isn't it more fun to roll your own!!?
"-)

[Tim Escobedo]

IIRC, he hasn't asked the schems not be posted. Rather, I think he said he wouldn't provide any.

[fernmeister]

You are unlikely to get those.. not sure if anyone has them, but even if they do - they fall into the Z-vex category of 'out of respect, we don't trade those schematics'..

maybe this is true for some people, but I can't agree with it.  the reason to not post or host on a website any zvex schems is out of respect for that business, since those pedals are in production.  however, when lovetone ceased production, schems of their pedals started to appear (big cheese and meatball).  i would have thought way huge, especially after repeated statements that the pedals won't be made again, fits into the latter category.

clones of zvex pedals might cannibalise zvex sales, but way huge does not trade anymore, so there are no new sales to be lost.  the only losers *might* be people who want to sell way huge pedals on the secondhand market for inflated prices.

an interesting side example is the foxx tone machine.  schems are freely available even though there is a current production re-issue tied to the original designer.

[Bluesgeetar]

wasn't this dished out a few weeks ago?  I believe what Tim said is true of the matter.  He said it wasn't a big deal to him but that he wasn't gonna provide any.  Something to the effect of he said he wasn't gonna make it easy for us.  Somebody wanna pull up that post link?  I'm lazy.  

[MarkB]

Sorry - I guess I missed the thread where he said he wouldn't provide them, but didn't care if they got out...  and yes, I suppose they are out of production which does make it a different situation than Z.

Ignore my previous reply then!!  

"-)

[Doug H]

Here's the way huge thread:

http://www.diystompboxes.com/sboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=17707&highlight=huge+schematics

You can find this kind of stuff using the search function.

Doug

[Kilby]

This may offend some people, however I make no apology for this !

I think most of the residents here who actually contribute circuits and mods here will agree with me.

Though I have some PCB designs that I should test and release for existing pedals, and some ideas for making builds easier, I cannot call my self somebody who has contributed. I do have a moral stance.

I'm not a professional player so pedals are a luxury item to me.

The only stuff I'm really interested in building are the unique (with permission to build) or long out of production pedals.

I don't see any problems with cloning a boutique FF as, lets face it essentially it's a clone of the original the only real work was selecting the parts, and the biasing.

The same is essentially true for the vast majority of TS style pedals you see for sale. They use the TS design and tweak a bit.

For original pedals, Z-Vex (the first to come to mind) or Way Huge (from what I have read) are a little different in sound and design.

Even though Wayhuge (for example) are out of production I think respect should be shown so somebody who has created something.

Peoples work is not to simply be grabbed for free, unless they give permission of course.

Especially when those people so often give help to others.

As far as I can tell these pedal sites are not here to give a free ride to those who don't wish to pay for a product.

Personally I got more fun out of designing a PCB for the Highway 89 and 3 Legged dog pedals, than any pleasure that I am liable to get through getting an almost free RAT,  TS or Small Stone.

There is no pedal that you must have, only pedals that you would like to have.  That's not a good enough reason to rip off an individulas hard work.

Buy or make something else instead !

If I have offended anybody then think about  why you are offended.

Rob...

PS I have no problem of somebody copying a pedal if they are then going to tear it apart and try to create some new mods of their own for it.

Why ? Because you are now creating something new.

[afranks]

From what Jeorge Tripps said, if you can find one of his pedals,
reverse engineer the schematic, and want to post it on the
net, you're welcome to do so.  Just don't expect any help from
Jeorge.  Personally, I can't afford any Way Huge pedals, so that's
the end of the story for me!  If you have one, and want someone
to draw out a schem for it, I'm sure someone on the board would
be happy to volunteer...

-alan

[Skreddy]

Here's -->a link<-- to Jeorge's post

[puretube]

Sir Kilby sounds like he got quite a British attitude (in a very positive sense)...

[Tim Escobedo]

As one who contributes what I can, I think I completely disagree with Kilby.

While I'm generally not interested in building clones, I certainly don't look down on those who wish to. The admonition for builders to build something original rather than clone existing devices is quite elitist in my eyes.

I'm interested in seeing just about any schem I can find. Not so I could clone the device, but rather so I can get more ideas to incorporate into my own devices. Every professional has done the exact same thing.

I feel it is unrealistic and unfair to ask anyone not to post a legitimately obtained schematic. Period. Many of the frequent posters here have arbitrarily decided to protect the schems of various builders. I feel such decisions are, well, way too arbitrary, unfair, and counterproductive, considering the reason I've come to this forum for so long: information.

No, we can't expect any professional to help aid in their own demise. However, I think we should allow every professional to be subject to the same rules as every other professional. The free sharing of information is the more important consideration in this community.

[jimbob]

OT---puretube--went to your web site..those have got to be some of the coolest fckn pedals i have ever seen--tubes ect.. never heard any samples, but im a tube fan--hope ya make it big--i think my fav part is the shielding over the tubes.. I seen similar effects as these--maybe the same one--electro-harmonics at musicians friend clearance cntr in kc--everyone was looking at them in awe--price was still a little high considering it was clearance / broken/damaged--the one i saw had broken tube pieces rattling around inside--bla bla bla--anyway cool stuff!! I cant afford it , nor do i have the knowledge yet to build similar, but you never know maybe someday..

[RDV]

There hasn't been a lot of new information of late. All the pedals I've built, I probably wouldn't have went out and bought even if they were available. I've made a few eBay pedal purchases over the last year though, but not many. I'm pretty good at following schems and coming up with a few mods(most of which I've shared here). I just dig putting the stuff together and having it work. It's fun. I'm not a designer or an EE. I'm not selling the things. I think when you start selling pedals on a regular basis it's really not DIY anymore & you're going to be resentful of some of the content of the forum. I respect those who try to make a living or even just suppliment their incomes by selling pedals, however my building one of their creations for my personal amusement is not going to take food off their tables because I wouldn't have likely been a customer anyway. There will always be people who will never in their entire lives touch a soldering iron, and those people are going to be the ones buying the vast majority of commercially built pedals, so I have no guilt.

Regards

RDV

RDV

[Kilby]

Dunno about that, but I do like to try and contribute something.

I don't have time to get back to electronics (it's been 18 years since I designed anything) as real life is in the way. Though I do have some ideas.

It's just a case that if you want something you should have to work for it.

Asking for a schem is way too easy, it's asking for something for free.

Anything other than Boss, Danelectro, Marshall and the odd TS are next to impossible to obtain in the Northern Ireland (or indeed the South), except from the UK or US via mail order, and that means no listening before purchase and I don't mean individual pedals but literally the pedal model.

If I can manage that then somebody in a major US city (or any other city) can also make the same effort.


Rob...

PS

Doug Hammond was good enough to send me a copy of his Highway 89 pedal. I figure once I get time to build it (yes I have a PCB design on PnP) and test the build, I will send a copy to Doug it really is the very least that I can do to say thanks.

I wish I could find a more practical way to say contribute, however being a single parent may leave me short of cash and time but gives me a greater feeling of acheivement when I actually do something.

BTW I'm not boasting acting the martyr or whatever simply stating that if I can do it then it's not that hard

[RDV]

OT---puretube--went to your web site..those have got to be some of the coolest fckn pedals i have ever seen--tubes ect.. never heard any samples, but im a tube fan--hope ya make it big--i think my fav part is the shielding over the tubes.. I seen similar effects as these--maybe the same one--electro-harmonics at musicians friend clearance cntr in kc--everyone was looking at them in awe--price was still a little high considering it was clearance / broken/damaged--the one i saw had broken tube pieces rattling around inside--bla bla bla--anyway cool stuff!! I cant afford it , nor do i have the knowledge yet to build similar, but you never know maybe someday..

PT designed those E-H pedals you were looking at, big time indeed.

Regards

RDV

[Kilby]

Couple of replys:

Tim & RDV,

I actually in a way I agree with you I love worthwhile information and if I had time I would make proper use of it (use that information to improve something with it). However there are those out there who are pure freeloaders.

Not only would they get somebody else to build pedals they can fairly easily afford and obtain, but would knock out additional copies for sale and profit from it.

Therefore I understand why some people are so protective, of the helpful designers though it is very arbitary and not the ideal and ends up protecting one company and not another.

I'd love a Z-Vex Fuzz Factory for example but with it's price in the UK (230 UKP) and being unable to try one before buying I simply won't be buying one. However if I had a circuit diagram, I would NOT build one. But in the future (time permitting) I may 'borrow' a particular design aspect/idea to put into another project.

Thats why I added the comment that if somebody clones a pedal then starts to mod it to their own spec then I have no difficulty with that, even if it's a current production item. It will become something unique.

It's just the freeloaders that I don't like (and we have all seen those posts) if if we where all like the regular contributers then the information wouldn not need to be so precious. Unfortunitely the world is not like that, and theres who industrys dedicated to ripping off consumer products.

Rob... (wishing for a better world)

[csj]

Stupid question time.

Are the Way Huge pedals even worth the effort?

I've never heard one though I've heard about them for some time now. What in the WH line is different; out of the ordinary?

I checked HC for the effects which he had available... looks like the standard line up -
boosts
tubescreamers
fuzzes

Check out the HC review of the "Screaming Beaver".
A Classic HC review...
basically, "I love this pedal, it sounds great... awesome. Best pedal ever."

Sounds vaguely familiar.

[RDV]

Are the Way Huge pedals even worth the effort?

I believe as a DIY build that they certainly would be. Paying the going rate on eBay? Uh Uh!

Regards

RDV