RG, JD check this out.

[Fp-www.Tonepad.com]

http://www.lppedais.ubbi.com.br/schedule.htm

it's in portuguese, but you can tell what he's doing allright.

Fp

[Lonestarjohnny]

I think maybe you should tell him a link to your site's would be fine, but please don't just rip me off page for page, what's a guy to do ?
I think some people just don't understand that you just can't do crap like that,:roll:
JD

[casey]

i dont understand what the problem is...and what this guy is doing wrong.

it seems to me as if this would generate more business by directing
people to a site that sells p.c. boards.  am i missing something here?
if that was my site, that he's directly linking to, i'd be grateful
because that would indeed generate more business for me.

what's the big deal?

[EdJ]

Very,very strange.
Ed

[Fp-www.Tonepad.com]

The deal is he's selling built pedals, which is a direct violation of the copyright because he's making profit from the info available at the sites.

Fp

[zener]

Oh well, sorry for my first post. :oops:  I didn't click and "read" (Portugese?) further. I thought the guy was just linking.

Time to call the DIY police and arrest that guy  :evil:

[Fp-www.Tonepad.com]

zener and others, I'm not being paranoid (although I should be by now )

If you browse around (and/or use a translator) you'll see that this list is the list of PEDALS that he will build for you, and that you should email him for a quote.

Fp

ps: I thought it was clear enough so that it didn't need explanation, but I just realized that knowing spanish helps in understanding portuguese.

This is what their "ordering" page reads (according to google translator)

Lp Pedals









 The budget is made in the following way:

* The customer chooses the effect and the desired mark

* Its option orders an email making

* The technician checks the availability of the parts

* We send its budget

The pedals are well cheaper than of the vendidos ones in the store and its functioning is the same.

The payment is made by bank deposit

[Fp-www.Tonepad.com]

zener, this is a serious matter: Violating international copyright laws.

It's sad to see how people don't understand that the information posted at our sites is NOT free, it costs lots of time and money and is provided with fair use restrictions.

I'll go chill... Maybe RG will have something to say after lunch

Fp

[EdJ]

Weren`t there a few lawyers(is that spelled correctly?)on this forum?
Maybe they can help out here?
Ed

[zener]

Those guys just keep on doing it thinking that the authors of copyrighted materials are very far away from their place. They should be dealt accordingly somehow.

[casey]

zener and others, I'm not being paranoid (although I should be by now )

If you browse around (and/or use a translator) you'll see that this list is the list of PEDALS that he will build for you, and that you should email him for a quote.

Fp

ps: I thought it was clear enough so that it didn't need explanation, but I just realized that knowing spanish helps in understanding portuguese.

This is what their "ordering" page reads (according to google translator)

Lp Pedals









 The budget is made in the following way:

* The customer chooses the effect and the desired mark

* Its option orders an email making

* The technician checks the availability of the parts

* We send its budget

The pedals are well cheaper than of the vendidos ones in the store and its functioning is the same.

The payment is made by bank deposit

oh i see....yeah, i just thought he was just putting links on his site, like
schematics or something....i didnt know he was building stuff
like that....that is pretty rotten.  im not up on my portugese.
couldnt tell that's what he was doing.  that's sad.

what are the laws concerning this in portugal?  

if he is still buying his stuff from Jd sleep, then it might not be a blessing in disguise......he even might be j.d.'s biggest customer... :lol:

but if he's doing it all himself (pcb boards and parts), then it's really rotten.

[puretube]

does he use the tonepad PCB layouts for his cloning?

[Lonestarjohnny]

My apologie's Casey, I forget some people No Comprende Espan'ol,
My bad, I shoulda told you what the guy was doing on this site,if it was just a link, no harm, But to sell someother person's property without permission is stealing no matter which way you look at it, you would not want me to steal and sell your pickup or your car, persnal property is something that belong's to you, if I steal it, your not gonna be happy, just like RG, Doug, Joe, RVD would not be happy if thet seen me down here in Texas selling there pedal's without permission, L believe in sharin Idea's as much as you do, I have a bunch of scanned Schematic's that are hard and old to come by, if they're all good for the go i will donate them to your archive, But to take somethin for gain that is not your's is stealing in the Court's here,
I've rode a Harley all my Life and it use to be a very popular thing, to Steal a Harley, well it made me not like those kind of people very much,
JD

[casey]

My apologie's Casey, I forget some people No Comprende Espan'ol,
My bad, I shoulda told you what the guy was doing on this site,if it was just a link, no harm, But to sell someother person's property without permission is stealing no matter which way you look at it, you would not want me to steal and sell your pickup or your car, persnal property is something that belong's to you, if I steal it, your not gonna be happy, just like RG, Doug, Joe, RVD would not be happy if thet seen me down here in Texas selling there pedal's without permission, L believe in sharin Idea's as much as you do, I have a bunch of scanned Schematic's that are hard and old to come by, if they're all good for the go i will donate them to your archive, But to take somethin for gain that is not your's is stealing in the Court's here,
I've rode a Harley all my Life and it use to be a very popular thing, to Steal a Harley, well it made me not like those kind of people very much,
JD

yeah, totally cool....  yup, that's stealing for sure because those layouts
belong to mr. sleep and the guys at tonepad.....those are their layouts
that they designed and sweated over.... they intend for people to
learn something and it's a sacrifice on their part in the name of
education....then a fella comes and uses that for his own selfish
gain, then that's a real bummer.

i do believe though that if someone (like myself) has an old article
or schematic that i did not design or come up with on my site,
it's fair game.  in other words, feel free to download and place on
your site any of the old school schems i have on my site....as long
as im not putting anything up that is still copyrighted or patented....
or someone elses work....then it's fair game for others.  i have some
schems from the 60's.  they are not my work or my designs, the copyright has ran out on them, and they are not feeding anyone's
family.....then, somewhere around here, some 12 year old kid is
gonna see that old school fuzz ive got on my site, build it, and learn
something in the process.  this happened to me a few years back
when i built jack orman's son of screamer...i got bit by the diy
effects bug.  i had more people ask me about that pedal.  then
all of a sudden some friends around me were asking me how to
build pedals...

[casey]

zener, this is a serious matter: Violating international copyright laws.

It's sad to see how people don't understand that the information posted at our sites is NOT free, it costs lots of time and money and is provided with fair use restrictions.

I'll go chill... Maybe RG will have something to say after lunch

Fp

i couldnt tell what he was doing because it was all in portugese.
i understand now....
yup, it's a bummer.

maybe someone can email him and kindly ask him to
cease and desist.  sometimes a gentle question will get
a gentle response....rather than threatening to sue him.
maybe ill go do that.

[Marcos - Munky]

This is bad . And to me it's bad too because the guy lives here in Brazil. If I can help in anything with him, e-mail me and I will do my best to help.

[erio fraga]

Well, I’m aBrazilian guy, and, of course, I understand very well Portuguese. I can’t say the same about my English, so my appologies for any mistake.
Fp is corrected in his translation. These guy ( by the way, this is a Brazilian site, not from Portugal) build and sell the effects listed in his home-page.
Even not taking in care the legal approach, I’m totally against the non-authorizated use of  intelectual / commercial proprieties. And it is in accordance with this my point of view that I would like to help you in this case. I don’t know how if is there anything I could do it or even if you want or need some help.
I’m not a lawyer, I know there are some troubles concerning the official Brazilian law about international intelectual propriety and trademark, but I could try to find an expert in the subject .
As a first idea, the “LP Pedais” site uses the Ubbi  ( www.ubbi.com.br ) services and I believe what the guy is doing is not in accordance to the general Ubbi rules. In the Ubbi page ( at the bottom ) is possible to link to Ubbi Argentina, Mexico and Spain, if you understand Spanish ( it’s very similar to Portuguese ) you can conclude by yourself if a contact with Ubbi could help in anything.
I really enjoy this forum and I’m very thankfull to the sites that share effects schematics, PCB’s lay-out and so on, I have good moments building as a hobby some pedals and hate the possibility that  all this kind of things could be over due attitudes just like of this guy.

Erio

[Torchy]

Just out of interest, I wonder how the guys at Boss feel knowing that tonepad/ggg are selling a pcb that is actually advertised on the site as a 'Boss SD-1' ... or MXR with their Phase 45 & Phase 90 tradenames ?

This (and other threads we have had) smacks of double standards to me.

Tin hat on  :oops:

[casey]

here is an email i wrote the portugese (brazillian) guy:




"dear sir -

there are a few gentlemen who are upset at the way that you are linking
up to their sites, and are building their designs for your gain and profit.
they are wanting you to stop doing this as this is in violation of
copyright laws, and seems to them to be unethical.  i told them that
rather than threatening lawsuits, that it is more proper to kindly
ask for you to cease and desist in linking to their sites, and using
their pcb layouts and designs for your own gain and profit.
it's better to walk in integrity on this type of venture.  i am sure
that you are probably a talented effects builder that can come up
with your own layouts of older pedals.  i know that taking other's
designs seems a little easier than designing your own, but the potential
trouble that can arise out of this on your part could be rather costly.
i am sure that you mean no harm, but would you please not conduct
your business in this fashion.

thank you. "



maybe this will be enough for him to stop.....

[casey]

Just out of interest, I wonder how the guys at Boss feel knowing that tonepad/ggg are selling a pcb that is actually advertised on the site as a 'Boss SD-1' ... or MXR with their Phase 45 & Phase 90 tradenames ?

This (and other threads we have had) smacks of double standards to me.

Tin hat on  :oops:

this is a good point.....i am not for sure what their justification is
for this.

fair question, that deserves a kind and proper answer, especially
if they are not doing anything wrong.  you shouldn't have to
wear a "tin hat."