Behringer rips off Boss and Electro-Harmonix!

[mrsage]

This was from another forum, but I thought people here would be interested.

Scroll down the page a bit and check out the stomp boxes on the left-hand side.

http://www.behringer.com/01_news/events_wnamm2005.cfm?lang=ENG

Looks like some fun (and cheap) fodder for mods. MSRPs appear to be $30 - $40, so street price is probably even cheaper.

[mrsage]

Look familiar?

[panasonic_youth]

thats plain old disgusting. who would defile the small stone like that?!?!?

[the_badcliff]

what are these? "concept pedals"?  Can't they just take a photo instead of computer generating pictures of them.

Are they trying to make me believe their pedals don't REALLY exist?

[sir_modulus]

Those are NAMM concepts...though don't get too excited. I'm sure EH and boss would be pouncing on Begringer's sorry arse if they decided to actually market these things....it's like PLAIN copyright!

Cheers,

Nish

P.S. I know some of you may ask this: How would it be wrong if they did it, but not if we did? Well in answer, it is wrong either way...that's why I encourage custom enclousures, and mods etc... to circuits, and to not copy the look of the original, and besides, EH won't punce on me if I make a Small stone clone that looks identical to the real one...they'll have to find out first...

[Paul Perry (Frostwave)]

Don't forget what Berhinger did to Mackie.. went to their Chinese contract parts manufacturer & negotiated lower prices!!
unfortunately Behringer won the law suit that resulted. Maybe they will go down for tax avoidance one day.

[Hailstorm350]

Behringer is gay...


except for euroracks :wink:

[puretube]

tnx for the info, mrsage!

the boss will not be amused...

however, from a law standpoint, I doubt if that is a copyright issue...

a design imitation, yes - it does remind of the "vintage" role models.

BOYCOTT B*HR*NG*R !, (if no agreement exists)

[StephenGiles]

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stephen

[StephenGiles]

......but who knows what agreements exist.
Stephen

[MartyMart]

Behringer have "ALWAYS" done this, I remember the "Mackie" clones too
problem was they used to break down ALL the time !!!.
Come on boys at least design a new "Box" even if the "guts" are the same !!!!
Bad Kharma on them . . . . .******

Marty. :roll:

[Joep]

Have you seen the prices..... (all in euro's)

Pricelist for Netherlands  EURO  
Valid as of 20th January 2005

 STOMP BOXES  
         
TBA  V-TONE GUITAR GDI21
Guitar Amp Modeler/Direct Recording Preamp/DI Box  46    
TBA  V-TONE BASS BDI21
Bass Amp Modeler/Direct Recording Preamp/DI Box  46    
TBA  V-TONE ACOUSTIC ADI21
Acoustic Amp Modeler/Direct Recording Preamp/DI Box  46    
TBA  VINTAGE DISTORTION VD1
Authentic Vintage-Style Distortion/Sustainer  46    
TBA  VINTAGE PHASER VP1
Authentic Vintage-Style Phase Shifter  46    
TBA  PREAMP BOOSTER PB100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Preamplifier/Volume Booster  23    
TBA  TUBE OVERDRIVE TO100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Authentic Tube-Sound Overdrive Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  BASS OVERDRIVE BOD100 (Bass/Keyboard)
Authentic Tube-Sound Overdrive Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  OVERDRIVE DISTORTION OD100 (Guitar/Bass)
2-Mode Overdrive/Distortion Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  DISTORTION MODELER DM100 (Guitar/Bass)
Distortion Modeling Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  ULTRA DISTORTION UD100 (Guitar)
2-Mode Distortion Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  METAL TONE MT100 (Guitar)
Heavy Metal Distortion Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  COMPRESSOR/SUSTAINER CS100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate Dynamics Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  GRAPHIC EQUALIZER EQ700 (Guitar/Keyboard)
Ultimate 7-Band Graphic Equalizer  23    
TBA  ACOUSTIC MODELER AM100 (Guitar)
Acoustic Modeler Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  ULTRA OCTAVER UO100 (Guitar/Bass)
3-Mode Octaver Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  TREMOLO TR100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Classic Tremolo Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  ULTRA CHORUS UC100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate Stereo Chorus Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  ULTRA FLANGER UF100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
2-Mode Flanger Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  PHASE SHIFTER PS100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
2-Mode Phaser Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  DIGITAL DELAY DD100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Digital Stereo Delay/Echo Effects Pedal  35    
TBA  DIGITAL REVERB DR100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Digital Stereo Reverb Effects Pedal  35    
TBA  DIGITAL MULTI FX FX100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Digital Stereo Multi-Effects Pedal  35    
TBA  GUITAR/AMP SELECTOR AB100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Universal 2-Mode A/B Footswitch  23    
TBA  NOISE REDUCER NR100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate Noise Reduction Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  BLUES OVERDRIVE BO100 (Guitar/Bass/Keyboard)
Classic Overdrive Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  BASS LIMITER/ENHANCER BLE100 (Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate Dynamics Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  BASS GRAPHIC EQUALIZER BEQ700 (Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate 7-Band Graphic Equalizer  23    
TBA  BASS CHORUS BCH100 (Bass/Keyboard)
Ultimate Stereo Chorus Effects Pedal  23    
TBA  HELLBABE HB01
Ultimate Wah-Wah Pedal with Optical Control  46

[puretube]

seems like they wanna become the new (sub-) standard,

thus turning B*ss, E-H, you name`em all, into  boutique status.


You`re sure those are retail (= end-) prices?


they do take profit from the "familiar" look,
which *can* be misleading, esp. for newbs/youngsters... (no offense!).

If they don`t have agreements whatsoever with the manufacturers of the rolemodels for those pedals, it`s shameless and very unethical, to say the least...[/i]

[Joep]

You`re sure those are retail (= end-) prices?

I got them directly from the Beringer Price list....

Especially the Boss style pedals have an unbelievable price....

This one looks "orginal" (at least it's not a DIRECT copy)
http://www.behringer.com/DM100/index.cfm?lang=ENG

[Rodgre]

This one looks "orginal" (at least it's not a DIRECT copy)
http://www.behringer.com/DM100/index.cfm?lang=ENG

That would make it a copy of the Digitech Hot Rod distorion, pretty much. I think that one does a DS-1, Rat and a Fuzz Face though. And they're not brazen enough to actually print on the face that it is a "DS-1, Rat and Distortion +"

Roger

[MartyMart]

WOW !
How can they make a "Boss" style pedal and sell it for £15   !!  ??

Unethical-- YES
Unbelievable  -- YES

Marty     :roll:  :roll:

[bioroids]

How can this people be so lame?

I dont understand this kind of marketting, I thought it was important to differenciate (is that the word?) from other products...

Luck

Miguel

[gazza]

I like behringer for the simple reason that they produce cheap and cheerfull gear that does work.

I've got one of the mixers that happens to be (very similar) to a mackie one.  worked fine for the 4 years i've had it.    

apparently thier pod-u like stuff is also quite good.

However, I my own opinion,  they were basically lucky with the Mackie case.  I believe that mackie didn't have the design registered in the EU, and coudn't rely on EU design-right becasue they were american and so fell between the two provisions.   I may have remembered this wrong though.

IF  those pictures of the pedals are correct,  then I would expect BOSS/ROLAND  at least consider suing. Not sure if EH, or whoever might own them has enough cash to sue.  

Behringer are open to an accusation of passing-off or at least misapropriating the goodwill by using very similar case designs and graphics getups.  I'm not sure that the behringer logo would be enough to avoid this.

G.

[casey]

i wonder if kleenex could sue puff's facial tissue for looking the same?  

[Bucksears]

If the quality is good, we'll see. Not that I NEED any of the pedals shown, but I would love a couple of extra digital delays for cheap.

I would be a hypocrite if complained about Behringer's new 'lineup' and yet still seriously consider an Agile or Tokai LP copy for next to nothing.
Yes, the cosmetics are blatantly copying the original. I smell a legal massaging (not a court battle) coming on.