Behringer rips off Boss and Electro-Harmonix!

[Torchy]

crp

[downweverything]

WHOA! Stop.

Didn't you guys hear?  Behringer just recently doubled their entire research and development department.................................
They bought a second Xerox machine.

Sorry, this topic was begging for a bad joke.  Somebody told me that one a while ago at work.  Nothing new from Behringer.

[StephenGiles]

Everything said aside, 2 digital delays for next to nothing, connect in parallel with different delay times and you can emulate the old tape echoes. and with 3...................
Stephen

[puretube]

Stephen: you bet, they`ll be heterodyning, whineing...

[EdJ]

Looking at the pictures they simply seem wrong to me.
You see things like this in furniture,ceramics,clothing and what not where people simply take someone elses design,change it a little and put it on the market.
When you are unfamiliar with the original it sometimes seems okay but when you know where they got it from you know there is something wrong with it.
In this case we are dealing with sound too and since we don`t know how they sound not much can be said about it.
I am feeling sorry for the people who work there,no matter how much money they make.
Sorry,Ed

[StephenGiles]

......or is it just one big wind up?
Stephen

[puretube]

Looking at the pictures they simply seem wrong to me.
...
I am feeling sorry for the people who work there,no matter how much money they make.
Sorry,Ed

Boreinger claims to have moved the R&D dep.to China...
so don`t expect them to make much money!

[EdJ]

Well i feel sorry for those people even more but you know what i mean i hope. :wink:
Greetings,Ed

[Paul Perry (Frostwave)]

Perhaps now people can understand why I don't manufacture "ordinary" pedals. :shock:  Danelectro must be worried.
As for the prices, look at any cheap CD player, boombox etc. Many many more parts, precision mouldings etc than a dozen FX boxes. For about the same $$. So the prices are certainly feasable. And if you read the fine print, they AREN'T associated with Boss, any more than Line6 is associated with Zvex.

[davebungo]

This isn't meant to come across as political or anything - I'm just having a well deserved rant:
<rant>
This is just another sign that the manufacturing industry has been/is being taken over completely by China - I mean do you think a small company in Britain could survive building stock effects pedals? - I don't think so for very long.  You might make a few quid building specialist/custom gear.  James Dyson (vacuum cleaner maestro) said it all in his recent Dimbleby lecture (which I'm unable to quote from).

People are getting what they want - cheap gear, but at what real cost?

As for copying, well next time you go to Tesco, see if you can tell the difference between Kellogs cornflakes and the store's own brand.  They seem to get away with it.

<end rant>

[sir_modulus]

I'm beginnning to wonder what exactly "modelled after" means.......stole the pedal and renamed the box?

Pathetic....and to think, people aren't even satisfied with normal pedal tone....how bad are these things gonna sound?

Cheers,

Nish

[RDV]

We're takin' and not givin' cause we're clonin' for a livin'!

RDV

[petemoore]

Don't worry about it, all willwork out.

[Paul Perry (Frostwave)]

think, people aren't even satisfied with normal pedal tone....how bad are these things gonna sound?Nish

Actually, at least 95% of the public are happy with the worst pedal in the world, so the answer is, they are sure to sound "good enough"!
In any case, I suspect that they will sound EXACTLY the same as what they are cloning. No more, no less.

BTW, if I ever get around to vacuuming the house this year, I'm going to borrow a Dyson from up the street.. thanks for reminding me, Pete!

[javacody]

I'm not sure I see the problem.

People make strat and tele copies all of the time.

None of the effects being "emulated" are particularly new. If some guy can make a living off of his slightly modified tubescreamer, why can't these guys sell a pedal that gives you DS1, Distortion+, and Rat all in one? And for $25? That is awesome.

No offense, but this thread is highly melodramatic.

[petemoore]

Best thing to do is not worry about it., or try to get everyone to not buy 'brand B" :lol:, in the same veign  one might think about Wal Mart etc.
 I don't know what the deals are, but if I worked at EH, my initial reaction would be 'irked'. I don't so it's moot. A.B.I.T.W.
 Are These 'cheaply Made'? I don't want any jacks in PCB's, in the otherwise 'strong' chain. I have a B' product now that suffers from 'premature' jack failure, junk, otherwise it's great!

[SaBer]

Perhaps now people can understand why I don't manufacture "ordinary" pedals.

Maybe all these B-products will drive E-H and Boss (and others) to manufacture less "ordinary" pedals also.

[Tim Escobedo]

I agree with javacody. If someone can make a product cheaper, good for them. If EH or Boss think they have a case of these products causing consumer confusion, let them sue. It's their problem.

Why is it OK for some guy to hand-make a Fuzz Face and sell it for $200, but wrong for a Asian factory to crank out a $25 version?

This assumes any circuit is being copied at all, which we don't know.

And the description of products being "emulated" suggests digital modelling. If this is the case, I don't see how anyone can fault them for copying circuits. What they did was copy function, not circuitry.

I guess it may be legit to complain about build quality. But not at those prices. That would be like complaining how a Yugo is so shitty compared to a Volvo.

[Johan]

Behringer was never original. from day one they copied other companies designes in what must sometimes be considered an unethical way. the first Behringer product I ever saw, about 10years ago was just a ripoff from an Drawmer compresson..the PCB even said Drawmer on it  :shock: . from what I understand, they just sent the pcb to China and asked them to copy it. and we all know about the case with Mackie...

but on the other hand. If there wernt for companies like Behringer, most of us wouldnt aford our own semi-proffesional homestudios equiped with mixers, compressors, exiters and all the other stuff that we can now buy for a tenth of what they costed 15 years ago. so in a way, they have brought the possibility to produce and record music back to the musicians instead of to the big record companies..perhaps it means more musicians are free to produce music that are not considered commersial enough and more new exiting music to enjoy for those of us who want something else than the latest teeny bubblegum pop that sound just like what came last week...just a thought..


Johan

[Gilles C]

I thought this was a DIY forum.

Did someone mentionned that we'll finally be able to get nice boxes to use or mod at a cheaper price?

No need to buy used or brand new Boss effects anymore. Just buy a Berhinger and use the box for your projects...