a two effect pedal, rangemaster and ?

[Narcosynthesis]

ok, i intend trying to jam two pedals into one enclosure, one being a rangemaster clone, but the other is undecided...

it needs to be a very simple circuit, as there wont be too much space, but thats about the only criteria, oh, and preferably one knob, though i might be able to jam in two possibly

currently looking at a bazz fuss, a clean boost (lpb-2 possibly) or an overdrivey thing of some sort

so any ideas?

David

[Phorhas]

how about Jack's MibiBooster or MOS booster - both of which are GREAT builds...
you can go Joe's diode compression stage, or easy drive, and there's alway the MXR D+/DOD 250/Liquid Drive/Mirco amp

[sir_modulus]

I dunno...but a shot from the peanut gallery would be to use twin range masters. I love the sound that makes!  

Cheers,

Nish

[bwanasonic]

Have you tried Rangemaster into Bazz Fuss? Cuz I don't think that behaved well when i tried it. RM into Fetzer can work well. Just gave RM into MosFet boost a spin. A useful combo for sure.

Kerry M

[Narcosynthesis]

something like a d+ or dod250 would be cool, but i dont have the space for either... (especially since i will prbobably be using millenium bypass too)

currently i am thinking either a bazz fuss or lpb-2, both are very simple and are supposed to sound great
any other ideas on order?

David

[Torchy]

crp

[petemoore]

I don't even use a RM Clone...Perhaps I never got one working good "nuff...
 I used to though, and test it with every other effect, build another RM, and find out it's that one transistor sounds better in there...it's an old "S.B."...[...skip RM Q post...there's probably 4 or 5 RM boards around here...]
 Anyway, early on in DIY, I built Rangemasters and FF's, DIST+'s...it's been so long a journy ICRC what all I tried the Rangemaster through...but...in the home amp [smaller] it would work great, and at gigs it would work great too...would talk to and try to entertain customers...some would get to carrying on to the point the whole bar would be Cracking up over the Sublime Humor between patrons and the 'dude in my amp' that seemed to be responding directly to the patrons. It was a full moon that night and it was one of those funniest things everyone ever seen...didn't really matter at that point because of all the laughter...and the RM 'dudes' response...probably just a coincidental anomoly of CB, or SSB radio interference, we discussed that too... :lol: .
 Other customers would fight with it, and it got really nasty...I had to turn the pedal to BP...but even then I'd get 'mad dude' interjecting nastiness during performances...I decided it shouldn't be used in crowds. Grounded and checked.
 Plug it back in the little tube amp, in the basement...works great !!! SOLID Tone RM...larger input cap...sounded great with FF, tweek the caps for RM>FF use...I had buncha little slide switches cut in Swirl Dip Painted layercake Pan...heck of a thing...it was half hanging garden and not reliable.
 Very fond RM memories... ...
 I'll have to try to figure out which ferrite beads cancel RF again, and try that again...it DID work good...a little noisy anyway though...maybe something could be done...I kind of liked it, like burnin' nitro...acceleration is great, but it don't idle so good...

[Gringo]

I'll second the RM into Fuzz Face option

[LP Hovercraft]

Pay particular attention to polarity.  If you're building a positive ground Rangemaster, then you're limited to using only positive ground effects with it.  There is such thing as a negative ground Rangemaster that still uses a PNP transistor for better flexibility.  Check out Generalguitargadgets Rangemaster projects for info.  

My 2 cents:  Joe Gagan's Skyripper!!  It is a buffer-Rangemaster-Fuzzface that is extremely tunable and at some settings will function as a free-running oscillator that never makes the same sound twice like some kind of demented Germanium Moog.  Mine has seven knobs, four switches and an effects loop.  It's like hitting a switch and having balls the size of Godzilla's.  This doesn't come without a drawback, however:  running a Rangemaster into a Fuzzface causes HISS.  I've had good success running it into the tonepad MXR Noise Gate Project.   If you have the patience to work with it, I'd highly recommend that as a build!

[ragtime8922]

I'm not a huge Tube Screamer fan but when the RM is in front driving a TS-Type it is a great tone when driving a tube amplifier. When I had them rigged up together I tried to tell myself that I was going "kick in" the RM for leads but I never wanted to turn it off. Just tweak all three (RM, TS & Tube Amp) to your fav gain range and enjoy.


                                                            -Chris

[ragtime8922]

Pay particular attention to polarity.  If you're building a positive ground Rangemaster, then you're limited to using only positive ground effects with it.  There is such thing as a negative ground Rangemaster that still uses a PNP transistor for better flexibility.  Check out Generalguitargadgets Rangemaster projects for info.  

My 2 cents:  Joe Gagan's Skyripper!!  It is a buffer-Rangemaster-Fuzzface that is extremely tunable and at some settings will function as a free-running oscillator that never makes the same sound twice like some kind of demented Germanium Moog.  Mine has seven knobs, four switches and an effects loop.  It's like hitting a switch and having balls the size of Godzilla's.  This doesn't come without a drawback, however:  running a Rangemaster into a Fuzzface causes HISS.  I've had good success running it into the tonepad MXR Noise Gate Project.   If you have the patience to work with it, I'd highly recommend that as a build!

LP,
   I've been tempted to build the Sky Ripper ever since I was on a quest to find that horrible, nasty tone on Metallica's "Some kinda monster". I never found it and thought that it may be a Fuzz Factory.

[LP Hovercraft]

Your guess is as good as mine as to what they really used on that. I just saw the documentary DVD (which I thought was really good, though I only really liked the first two Metallica albums) on the making of St. Anger and there were scenes of their studio and rehearsal space where you'd see effects pedal heaven on the periphery of a few shots.  More effect related gadgetry than several Guitar Centers.  That would be really cool if they had the good taste to use one of Joe Gagan's monsters.  
The Skyripper gets four goats for chuggy metal tone, but doesn't get the full five because you have to use it with a noise gate to avoid a nasty frequency rivalry with your drummer's cymbals (maybe not quite that loud).  No matter how nice your GE trannys or internal wiring mess of shielded cables are, the Rangemaster into a Fuzzface will hiss.  If you build it with the understanding that it is going to require additional equipment, then you'll be less frustrated with it.  BTW-if you decide to build it, mount it in an omelet skillet-it looks SO freakin' cool that way!!

[Narcosynthesis]

the metallica sound may be a fuzz factory, i remember someone mentioning somewhere that they had used/owned some zvex stuff, so it wouldnt be too surprising

as for the pedal, i think i am going to go for a rangemaster, then a lpb-2, so i can have both types of boost in one (full and treble) which way round should they go?

David

[ragtime8922]

Your guess is as good as mine as to what they really used on that. I just saw the documentary DVD (which I thought was really good, though I only really liked the first two Metallica albums) on the making of St. Anger and there were scenes of their studio and rehearsal space where you'd see effects pedal heaven on the periphery of a few shots.  More effect related gadgetry than several Guitar Centers.  That would be really cool if they had the good taste to use one of Joe Gagan's monsters.  
The Skyripper gets four goats for chuggy metal tone, but doesn't get the full five because you have to use it with a noise gate to avoid a nasty frequency rivalry with your drummer's cymbals (maybe not quite that loud).  No matter how nice your GE trannys or internal wiring mess of shielded cables are, the Rangemaster into a Fuzzface will hiss.  If you build it with the understanding that it is going to require additional equipment, then you'll be less frustrated with it.  BTW-if you decide to build it, mount it in an omelet skillet-it looks SO freakin' cool that way!!

LP, I just got that DVD also. I'm gonna have to pause it to take a closer look at the effects. I'm gonna bump the Sky Ripper up on the build list.

The pedal will be cool having two different boosts. I was recsntly thinking of building a "Boost Factory" pedal with 5 different boosts on a rotary switch. It's not real high on my build list because my amp gets the heaviest tones I could ever dream of or have ever heard with the gain knob at 2:00!!! No kidding. I play Metallica stuff at 12:00. No need for a boost really. Just building for fun.
BTW, my amp head is an ENGL Powerball.

[Ben N]

"BTW, my amp head is an ENGL Powerball."

Doncha need TWO of those for the full effect?  

[Narcosynthesis]

any ideas on the order of the rangemaster/lpb-2?

would you want to boost the input of a treblebooster, or trebleboost the input of the clean boost?

David

[Alpha579]

i reckon you should try putting a fetzer valve after your rangemaster, for that driven valve sound    check it out at http://www.runoffgroove.com/fetzervalve.html

[Narcosynthesis]

i reckon you should try putting a fetzer valve after your rangemaster, for that driven valve sound    check it out at http://www.runoffgroove.com/fetzervalve.html

i am not really after an overdrive, more of a boost to hammer the front of my amp a little more... (thats me thinking the fetzer is a overdrivey type circuit)

David

[ragtime8922]

"BTW, my amp head is an ENGL Powerball."

Doncha need TWO of those for the full effect?  

:lol: Witty. Very Witty. :lol:

In reality that would be cool to have two so I could run my balls in stereo! :lol:

[bwanasonic]

i am not really after an overdrive, more of a boost to hammer the front of my amp a little more... (thats me thinking the fetzer is a overdrivey type circuit)

Not really, it's just a JFET emu of the first stage of a typical Fender amp. It works well with a Rangemaster for a *cascaded* gain setup. By itself, the Fetzer is quite useful for clean sounds as well. The AMZ MosFet boost is another good *amp slammer*, and also works well for clean sounds.

Kerry M