what do you get when you cross a mt2 w/ a joe d. pedal

[troubledtom]

well for 14.99 tax and shipping to boot.
 the danelectro fab metal. right out of the box , complete full bodied
metal meltdown .
   if you are into high gain , at the least, get one for a back up distortion
pedal, you won't be sorry.
  i've already taken it a part , i got it an hour ago. damn what a good job for the $$$.
   made in china :oops:  to shread. this is crazy , i can't wait to buy one more and circuit bend it.
        if it holds up , looks like it will, i'd use it live any day.
did i say ............ crazy? ......at this price the play'n field is phucked. :shock:
     i'm gonna go play now ,
             peace,
                   - tom

[troubledtom]

okay,
  15 minutes of shreading...... more.
it's a killer.
         damn,
               - tom

[wampcat1]

Excellent!! Anyone purchased the overdrive yet? Is it a ts9 copy?

[Mark Hammer]

Ironic, isn't it.  Every time somebody finds out that boutique or vintage pedal X contains "only a couple of trannies and passive components" they get all rankled about the retail price because of the fervent belief that there are "only about $10 worth of parts in there".  True, that's all there is in there.  And if nobody along the way was paid for their effort in designing, developing and constructing the pedal, that's probably about what it would cost.

Kinda makes you wonder what the people who made these pedals got paid, doesn't it?

Certainly kudos to Danelectro for producing a line of pedals that simply can't be matched/scooped by ANY DIY-er or competitor, and that make gear accessible to anybody willing to forfeit a couple of beers or even a trip to the buffet on a Saturday night.  At the same time, you have to wonder what the human cost is on the other end.  Cheap consumables are cheap for a reason, and whether its shoes, tacos, plastic toys, or pedals, it usually isn't because someone is being well-treated on the other end.

[Paul Marossy]

Got schematic?!  :lol:

[petemoore]

My new bands name...' $<= '...
 See I got this rich uncle, and good as he is at figureing out money, I don't think he knows, Really, what it's *doing...hence the boiled down equation/statement...IMO can be proven true...depends on who is doing the calculating.
 Get Rich quick scheme?...sign me up for a billion of 'em...lol

[troubledtom]

Ironic, isn't it.  Every time somebody finds out that boutique or vintage pedal X contains "only a couple of trannies and passive components" they get all rankled about the retail price because of the fervent belief that there are "only about $10 worth of parts in there".  True, that's all there is in there.  And if nobody along the way was paid for their effort in designing, developing and constructing the pedal, that's probably about what it would cost.

Kinda makes you wonder what the people who made these pedals got paid, doesn't it?

Certainly kudos to Danelectro for producing a line of pedals that simply can't be matched/scooped by ANY DIY-er or competitor, and that make gear accessible to anybody willing to forfeit a couple of beers or even a trip to the buffet on a Saturday night.  At the same time, you have to wonder what the human cost is on the other end.  Cheap consumables are cheap for a reason, and whether its shoes, tacos, plastic toys, or pedals, it usually isn't because someone is being well-treated on the other end.

i totaly understand mark, but the fact still remains , is  their any way to stop this[ {"greatness , for the $ , i do not think so"}
to look over and say @#$%^&*()_+|. is lame. this pedal works great.
  sad to say...... or great to say.......
   yes     the labor is an issue but not mine.          the  device is killer.
and someone is likely take it the ass, butt i paid for it fair and sqruare[sp]
        peace
  -tom

[Branimir]

i've tried a danelectro pedal once, i think it was "fab tone" or something, it really rocks, delievers great distortion sound, tons of gain, really sonic...

all the pedals in the world i tried, i have utmost respect for the danelectro one, that really suprised me, how it sound powerful altough is inside that funny box

dunno bout their other pedals, but this one was very unique sounding...

lots of musicians use boss pedals, some use big muff, rats, but i've never read that someone uses danelectro something, that's strange, heh..

yeah, i totally agree with paying for the patent, labor, and stuff, sure, it's 10$ of parts, but someone had to came up with that!

of course the casing's here and all that stuff, which comes out much more than 10$, i think all DIYers know that most of the time it's much cheaper to buy a used pedal than to build one, especially regarding boxing and mechanics...

[nelson]

its amazing, the public complain about outsourcing, then in the same breath celebrate their ability to find a great made in "slave labour wage country" bargain. I for one dont agree with the state of exploititative corporations with no sense of societal responsibility. Perhaps when unions become multi-national, catching up with their corporate employers things will change......Because it certainly seems as if governments are not standing up for the people they are supposed to represent.

[gez]

its amazing, the public complain about outsourcing, then in the same breath celebrate their ability to find a great made in "slave labour wage country" bargain. I for one dont agree with the state of exploititative corporations with no sense of societal responsibility. Perhaps when unions become multi-national, catching up with their corporate employers things will change......Because it certainly seems as if governments are not standing up for the people they are supposed to represent.

There was an interesting programme on TV about a year ago where the presenter was arguing in favour of globalisation.   To begin with it had me foaming at the mouth but after a while some interesting points were made, which really made me question my opinions.

It seems that in order for any country to ‘develop’ there’s always a transitional period where workers get shafted.  The benefits of corporations moving in and exploiting the work force of poorer countries are jobs where there are often few, better wages (relatively) and, therefore, a better standard of living.  The knock on effect of a more affluent workforce (again, relatively) is often higher expectation of government, which often changes as a result of pressure from within (and externally) to do so - it’s in their interests if the economy is successful, after all.

Does this make any of it right?  No, not at all, but before any of us in the affluent West start getting up on our high horses and start preaching about how the second/third world ‘should’ run their affairs, take a little look back into your own history!  In Britain we had our ‘transitional period’ during the industrial revolution.  One only has to read Mayhew (fact) or even Dickens (fiction) to realise the appalling working conditions of workers in the 19th century.

Same argument applies to dictatorships (Cromwell was our equivalent of the Taliban - banned public performance of music and theatre) and deforestation; doesn’t matter that we got rid of all our forests, it’s saving those trees abroad that matters!

Don’t want to start a row here, I’m an old leftie if truth be told and have my concerns about globalisation, environment etc, just a few things to consider.  We take a lot for granted here in the West and often forget our own history, which makes us sound like spoilt brats at times (this isn't aimed at you nelson).

[Mark Hammer]

I guess the point I was trying to make is that sometimes, when marrying a beautiful woman, you find out that there are these aggravating in-laws that come along with the deal.  I think it's wonderful that kids can buy gear at prices that are lower, in terms of real dollars, than E-H's were back in the day (and they were LOW), but there is a social price to pay for that privilege, and we need to keep asking ourselves if the price is too high.

[jimbob]

i totaly understand mark, but the fact still remains , is their any way to stop this[ {"greatness , for the $ , i do not think so"}
to look over and say @#$%^&*()_+|. is lame. this pedal works great.
sad to say...... or great to say.......
yes the labor is an issue but not mine. the device is killer.
and someone is likely take it the ass, butt i paid for it fair and sqruare[sp]
peace
-tom

NOw thats right along with my train of thinking--and funny as shit too!

[Paul Marossy]

You have to wonder what it actually costs to make one of those pedals - $10.00?! They are obviously looking to make a profit by selling large quantities of these things (Danelectro pedals in general).

[mojotron]

I guess the point I was trying to make is that sometimes, when marrying a beautiful woman, you find out that there are these aggravating in-laws that come along with the deal.  I think it's wonderful that kids can buy gear at prices that are lower, in terms of real dollars, than E-H's were back in the day (and they were LOW), but there is a social price to pay for that privilege, and we need to keep asking ourselves if the price is too high.

I have no idea how Danelectro pedals are made so cheap, and I trust that this product is produced by consenting adults - to whom a few bucks is a decent wage for where they live.

However, I feel the same way Mark, I've been to places where people are impacted by the economics of oppression. It's gut wrenching to imagine what a child will go through the rest of their lives when they are sold into a life of slavery for $35 today in some places in India. Or what the child goes through when they will be abducted in northern Thailand today to live the rest of their lives a slave to the sex trade or worse.

Imagine if any of us had to be in those childs' shoes today?

You know, I'm not saying that I'm any better than anyone else or that I have not felt overjoyed to get great stuff cheap, or that you have to believe and think as I do, or that I have not felt apathetic about this in the past an saw it as someone else's problem... But, I was reading something about child slavery in India the other day and then when I was spending time with one of my kids later that day it really hit me.... How bad off are you when you have to sell one of your kids for $35? And, what kind of life would my child have in those circumstances?

I would just like to encourage us to not be apathetic about the circumstances of people who make a lot of the stuff we buy.

[Paul Marossy]

My hunch is that there is very little human labor involved - it's probably all automated.

[gez]

My chilli dog is all SMT, so no 'solder chicks' there then...

[Paul Marossy]

My chilli dog is all SMT

As are probably all of their pedals...

[Mark Hammer]

I would imagine some of it is automated, Paul.  But if it was ALL automated, don't you think it could be made here just as cheaply?

[Paul Marossy]

I would imagine some of it is automated, Paul.  But if it was ALL automated, don't you think it could be made here just as cheaply?

Maybe, maybe not. Labor/management/tech people are still cheaper overseas...

[Doug_H]

I suspect the biggest issue with a dano pedal is the same as it is with my arion chorus: after 3-4 gigs it will be toast (generally speaking) (*not* 'french toast':wink:) . Of course at $15 a pop maybe you just buy a new one then. Cheap plastic box with a battery door that won't stay on, pcb mounted plastic pots, friction mounted knobs falling off,  cheap switch... Sooner or later you find out you got what you paid for.

I believe the boss manufacturing is heavily automated too. Yet they put out a solid reliable product at a decent price.  Not a cutthroat price, but a decent price.

But automated or not, cheap labor or not, plastic pedals have been around for a long time. They have carved out a niche with the 14 yr old beginner bedroom guitarist crowd for the most part. They are a fun and interesting novelty but most musicians will move on to something real, eventually.  Sooner or later you realize reliability is a major issue, unless you are stuck in the bedroom playing along with your kiss records (:wink:  :wink: ) in which case it's not.

But I don't believe there is a free lunch. So I think there will always be a place for quality gear, commercial or diy.

Doug