Blue Box-Does it normally tick a little?

Started by KORGULL, June 30, 2005, 11:07:09 PM

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KORGULL

When the effect is on, but I'm not playing, I am noticing a rhythmic ticking/oscillation. It is most noticable when I'm using alot of distortion. When using the Blue Box alone the ticking is nearly non-existent.
I'm wondering if this is normal or something to be fixed.
Aside from that little problem, this pedal sounds really good - alot better than I expected it to (as long as I only use the neck pickup).
I used MPSA18's after first trying 2N3904's - big difference between those two I think. The 3904's made it sound pretty awful.
I thought maybe the high gain transistors made the ticking worse, but when I tried 5088's and 3904's it made no difference.

KORGULL

Is anyone else's Blue Box making oscillating clicks?
A quick yes or no answer would really be appreciated.
Thanks.

MartyMart

I have one that's "almost" working ....
It "Fuzzes" sounds like a "Dalek/Alien" doesn't octave or track
very well, but doesn't "tick" at all  ?
I dont quite see how the digital "octave" circuit causes a "tick"? that's
normal with tremolo/phase circuits ....
.... sorry, that's not much help  !

Marty
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm"
My Website www.martinlister.com

KORGULL

QuoteI dont quite see how the digital "octave" circuit causes a "tick"? that's
normal with tremolo/phase circuits ....
I can't see why it's doing either, but it sounds like a helicopter when I switch on an extra distortion pedal.
When the blend control is on full - so only the octave signal is heard, the noise isn't as loud.
When I flip the switch to select one or two octaves, the speed of the clicks increases on the setting for one octave down.
Could this be a problem with my ground connections?

MartyMart

Quote from: KORGULL
QuoteI dont quite see how the digital "octave" circuit causes a "tick"? that's
normal with tremolo/phase circuits ....
I can't see why it's doing either, but it sounds like a helicopter when I switch on an extra distortion pedal.
When the blend control is on full - so only the octave signal is heard, the noise isn't as loud.
When I flip the switch to select one or two octaves, the speed of the clicks increases on the setting for one octave down.
Could this be a problem with my ground connections?

Well, I just posted a similar thread about a "Mini Rat" that I've
canabalized from several design's - it was giving me a huge gated trem
type oscillation, rather than a click.
Those in the know put that down to the high gain of the circuit requiring
some better 9v power filtering and careful wiring.
I'd try a 100uf + 10uf + 0.1uf from 9v to ground and check the wiring
also, keep it as short as possible.
I solved it by reducing the "gain" pot .....

You have a octave switch .... ?

Good luck,
Marty
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm"
My Website www.martinlister.com

KORGULL

Hi Marty, I've made all the wires as short as possible already, and I built it using all the extra/optional parts in the Tonepad schematic, so it already has some of those filtering caps in place.
I made it on perf using my own super-tight layout, this is why I really want to know if this is a normal thing for this effect, or do I need to look closer at my parts placement.
It sounds really good otherwise. While I am playing, the noise is not audible at all and my noise gate cuts it out most of the time when I'm not playing - so it isn't a real big deal, but I was going to post my layout in the layout forum and wanted to be sure it is not flawed. Also I might build a couple of these for friends and want to root out any problems first.
This is kind of a whacky pedal, and the noise is only noticeable at high volume when the Blue Box is used alone, so I think there is a chance that they all might have this glitch. I wish someone could let me know how their Blue Box sounds. I don't want to spend alot of time debugging something that might be operating "normally"
QuoteYou have a octave switch .... ?
Yeah, SPDT with the common hooked up to R11 and one lug to 4013 pin 1 and one lug to 4013 pin 3 (or 13 since they are connected together).
Works like a charm.
I found that this effect is also cool if you run a microphone through it and hold notes with your voice - I can mimic synth sounds. The output sounds more machine than human.